Lying With A Beast

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Thank you R____,
That is rather conclusive if you can see it. All that is being done at this time is being done in a vessel of clay that cannot ever under any circumstance, inherit the kingdom of God. So all the statements about being born again, being the firstfruits of the spirit, receiving the spirit and being begotten of the spirit are all true only in down payment, not in actual possession of the inheritance. If it were otherwise then there would be no need for hope or faith. And we are saved by hope and faith:

Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Rom 8:24  For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

And faith is the assurance of things not seen, things for which we are still hoping.

Heb 11:1  Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

You see how easy it is to get off on one point and be derailed in several other points. That is why the trinity is so very important to all of orthodoxy. If that tree called the trinity ever fell, then the entire orthodox Christian doctrinal structure of a triune man with an immortal soul, which goes to hell at death, would fall with it. There would be no rich man in hell, no baptism for the dead, no purgatory, no spirits in prison and no thief in paradise, or heaven to go to and look down on all of that. It is the trinity that holds all of that together.
And in like manner, it is this ‘fullness now’ doctrine that has us already born again, with all of the abilities of being in a spiritual body, being neither male nor female, having no sense of structure, no head and no body, no need for the written word and on and on; the confusion is endless. But this is the Truth straight from the mouth of our Lord and in complete accord with all of His apostles:

Joh 3:6  “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7  “Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’
Joh 3:8  “The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” (NASB)

So when I become invisible to the natural eye that is when I will no longer be enjoying all of these promises in faith and in hope. That will be when I am in possession of the inheritance and not just possessing all of these things through “the holy spirit of promise.” We are standing in the land of promise, not in the land of possession. Yes, I am fully aware that it is the “promised land,” But I am also aware that it is we who now possess “all the promises” so they must still be future:

2Co 1:20  For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
2Co 7:1  Having therefore these promises [ Gentile Corinthians], dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Which promises? “All the promises.” They certainly were never realized by anyone in the Old Testament.

Heb 11:13  These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

We too, are “strangers and pilgrims on the earth” living in faith and hope. But there is one thing that separates God’s elect from all the Old Testament types of God’s elect and from all other false elect. Here is what marks God’s elect:

1Co 13:13  And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

And how would the holy spirit have us to see all that we possess in promise at this time. It is in the previous verse:

1Co 13:12  For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

How anyone can say that we are in the fullness of the possession at this time and read about the need now for faith and hope and seeing through a glass darkly, etc. would seem almost incredible, except for the fact that that is what I myself was teaching only yesterday.
Thank you for this exchange. God does not give his spirit to a beast. What He does give that beast is the promise, “the holy spirit of promise,” that it will not always remain a beast.

Eph 1:11  In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Eph 1:12  That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:13  In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14  Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

So I would not say that “God does not impart His spirit to us…,” but I would say it is given only in earnest, in promise, while we are yet in this vessel of clay called flesh, or the beast. We are “now sons of God,” but not in the sense that we will be sons of God:

1Jn 3:2  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

That doesn’t sound like ‘fullness now’ to me. It sounds as if God’s spirit is working within us to destroy and dethrone that beast within, so that when we shed this beastly body we can step into a spiritual body which has already taken on the mind of Christ through spiritually dying to that fleshly, beastly body.
It is all contradictory to the natural man to say “I am crucified… nevertheless I live.” “I am blind… so I see.” “I have lost my life… so I have found it,” etc. But in the spirit it simply hides the truth from the natural man. ‘We are beasts, but we are dying to that beast and living to the spirit’ in earnest or down payment of the spirit.
It is always good to seek out the mind of God with you.

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