The Father Of Christ
Mike,
Since Christ was the first created and of the substance that he could appear on earth at will, did Christ himself impregnate Mary? That he left his deity and entered Mary himself sounds impossible, but is anything impossible for the Lord? Since she was a virgin, what other way could it be?
But what about “This is My Son with whom I am well pleased”? Sorry, I don’t know the chapter or verse, but this was supposedly the Father speaking, yet Jesus said that no one has seen or heard the Father. And what about “If you see me you have seen the Father” and “I do and say what I see and hear the Father saying and doing”?
Tell me Mike, who is the Father of Christ?J____
Good morning J____,
You ask me “who is the Father of Christ”. The answer to that is simply the holy spirit of God.
Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Christ is not the holy Ghost, which should be translated ‘holy spirit,” and He never claimed to be the holy spirit. But He did tells us plainly that the Father had given him all things, including the holy spirit and that it was through “the holy spirit of God,” He, Christ, would come to us and and live His life in us.
Christ called Himself both the Son of God, via having no physical father, and the Son of Man, because Mary was His physical mother. So Christ, just like you and I, if we too, are now being born of the spirit, was both the Son of God, and The Son of man.
1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
Christ certainly considers Himself to be in our flesh. Saul of Tarsus had never laid a finger on Christ while He was here on this earth, and yet these are Christ’s own words to Saul of Tarsus:
Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Joh 4:15 is one of the 43 times the phrase ‘Son of God” is found in the New Testament. Here is a phrase which is used almost twice as much to define who is Christ:
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man [ Greek anthropos, Hebrew adam] is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Christ is “the Son of Man” just as you and I are. John agrees with Christ, in Act 9:4 when He says that Christ is come in “the same flesh” we have because He is come in us:
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Those verses go a long way towards identifying who is and who is not “that spirit of antichrist” which is the spirit of Babylon, the great harlot who has been and is being used by the Adversary, to deceive the whole world.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:9 occurs within us, and the dragon is cast out with all of his angels and all of their false doctrines, as Truth replaces error.
Neither Christ, nor Adam, had a physical Father, but Christ was still the Son of Adam through His physical mother Eve.
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
So “the Son of God” is really the Son of “the Holy Ghost,” which is just “the holy spirit of God.”
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Christ is not the holy spirit, but the holy spirit has been given to Christ by His Father. I think you already know that the English word ‘Ghost’ is actually a translation of the same Greek word from which we also translate the English word ‘spirit.’ That Greek word is ‘pneuma.’
So the holy spirit of God miraculously impregnated the egg in Mary and ‘the thing which was born of her’ was to be called the Son of God, as well as the Son of Man.
Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
So Christ was made both “of a woman” and “of the holy spirit” of God, just like all who are in Him.
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Both of those phrases in Gal 4:4, ‘made of a woman,’ and ‘made under the law,’ mean that Christ was made sin.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him [ to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
The words ‘to be’ are not in the Greek and that is why e- sword puts brackets around them. Christ came in the same sinful flesh you and I have, and He overcame that flesh with all of its pulls toward sin.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Here is the only way any man can be tempted:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Christ was not ‘made sin’ by being nailed to the cross. He was made sin by being “made of a woman, made under the law.” ‘Being sin’ is not the same as committing a trespass. That is why there was a sin offering for what we are, and a trespass offering for what we do.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
If we were not specifically told by the holy spirit that Christ was “under the law” we might reason, that since He is our “faith [ that] is come”, how could He ever be “under the law?” But we need not reason when we are plainly told that “the scripture has concluded all under sin… kept under the law.” All “kept under the law, [ are] concluded under sin.” So Christ as “the Son of Man,” is both the Son of God and the Son of Adam, who was “made under the law” along with “all under sin.”
Now these verses will make perfect sense:
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Christ used the phrase “the third day,” through out His ministry to refer to the day of His resurrection. Christ knew that it takes a resurrection to perfect anyone who has ever been in a body of flesh:
Luk 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
Understanding how Christ felt about His own body of flesh, makes this verse, much more meaningful. It appears just five verses before we are told that Christ was “made sin,”
2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
“Man after the flesh… Christ after the flesh.” It is all the same “sinful flesh…” and it is “the same flesh… [ with which] the children” contended.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [ how] to perform that which is good I find not.
Christ was never called a trespass offering. Those afflictions “are behind of [ the] Christ,” and it is our part to “fill up in our bodies” the afflictions of the trespass offering. That is why we have these two verse of scripture:
Act 22:7 And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Col 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church:
Rotherham translates this verse ‘the Christ.”
Col 1:24 Now, am I rejoicing in the sufferings on your behalf, and am filling up the things that lack of the tribulations of the Christ, in my flesh, in behalf of his body, which is the assembly, (REV)
You and I are Christ’s body, and He is our head, if we are afflicted for His name’s sake. That is by His own mouth. “Why persecutest thou Me?” So while, as you say “spirit and flesh do not mix,” that is true, but that does not deny that “the things that are seen are made of things that do not appear.” Nor does it deny that God’s spirit is capable of causing Mary to be pregnant without a physical father, any more than it denies that Adam can be given life without a physical father. “Let God be true and every man a liar.”
“That which is flesh is flesh, and that which is spirit is spirit,” simply means that Christ really was flesh while He was in a body of flesh. As such He was incapable of passing from the flesh into the realm of the spirit. But as He demonstrated to many Old Testament patriarchs, and prophets, as well as His own disciples, as a spiritual body He was quite capable of appearing in the form of physical flesh and bone, and not just as a vision.
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
This was done simply because of the lack of faith on the part of all of His disciples:
Joh 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [ then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [ be] unto you.
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [ it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
So Christ is spirit that can appear as flesh, and as spirit He can, through His Father’s spirit, be in all of us, just as His Father is in Him.
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [ then], Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I [ am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
Now you and I have never physically seen either Christ or His Father, unless we ‘see and understand’ that those in whom He dwells are Christ. If we see and understand that truth then we “have seen Christ and have seen His Father.” But so long as we continue to think of Christ as a man who lived 2000 years ago in the flesh, we do not know Christ, and so long as we think of Christ as anything that does not include us as being in Him, we do not know Christ. When Christ’s Christ is being persecuted, Christ is being persecuted.
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Flesh does not mix with spirit, but we have been given a down payment of God’s spirit while in these earthen vessels. It is called “the holy spirit of promise,” and we have this spirit “until the redemption of the purchased possession.” That is until the “manifestation of the sons of God,” in a resurrection. In those resurrected bodies, we will be spirit which can and will appear as flesh, as “our Lord’s Christ,” to rule the kingdoms of this world with a rod of iron.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Who is Jesus? Here is who Jesus is:
Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Jesus Christ is those in whom He dwells. That is who He says He is. Who are we to argue with Him? If we know Him only after the flesh, then “we know Him no longer…”
2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
Christ is spirit, but as such He was in “the same flesh and blood as the children,” and He is in “the same flesh and blood of the children.” He is in us, and we are His body, filling up what is behind of His afflictions in that body.
Col 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of [ Greek, the] Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church:
I hope this all helps you to see a little more of Christ in you, because that is what He wants you to see, and that is where He is. He is in His people, and they are His Christ “come in the flesh.”
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Your brother in the Christ of Christ,
Mike
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