Spiritual Bodies Materializing
Greetings Mike,
Since last hearing from you, your insights regarding the flesh of Christ has been in my mind and I have to say that I have no argument, I appreciate the encouragement to ponder the meaning of God in the following:
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the antichrist you heard is coming, and even NOW is already in the world.
Yet also, what do you think of this….. You say: “God uses as His agency to destroy all flesh, in order to “destroy death”….” I understand this to mean that we are to be transformed by, through and because of the flesh and blood of Christ wherein we experience the transformation of the corruptible to the incorruptible.
All this happens within us, the Lord shortens the days for us, so our flesh doesn’t die before we are given the better resurrection. This is not new to the Scriptures.Heb 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
The resurrection is not PAST but present and future, now within us. At our peril we relax our attention to the significance of…
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
We too, are to die daily and learn to stand before the Son of God within us.
Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection,(G386) and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:I notice the following translation that inspires to the appreciation of the Faith of God given to us through His Son.
G386
αναστασις
anastasis
an- as’- tas- is
From G450; a STANDING up again,
Accepting that we are to live by every word of God, is this not also the acceptance we are to live day by day, moment by moment, breath by breath all in the Sovereign Will of God causing us to do so?
I got to thinking that even an atomic particle is physical, though it has no mass or weight to human perception without the help of the electronic microscope which God has given us to discover and enjoy. Anyway, that aside, the “physical” may actually refer to the carnal, or the spiritually corrupt and might not include everything “physical” as such. Flesh and blood may actually refer to the flesh and blood of Adam made of dust that has no virtue of the Spirit of God and is carnal, literal and corruptible.Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Yet we are told that the flesh and blood of Jesus is not as Adam of dust only, and…
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
The body of Jesus which was Resurrected from the dead, is incorruptible yet also was FLESH :
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have.
I believe that a SPIRIT doesn’t have flesh and bones. God IS Spirit, everywhere all the time. Jesus Christ is the Son of Man Son of God pre- eminent heir of God with whom those He Elects, share in His Inheritance of all things.
Please elaborate on what you say regarding the flesh of the first Adam that is as you say : quote, “As long as flesh exists, little baby “first Adams” will continue being born,…
As far as I can gather, this is correct as long as the natural will be against the spiritual and all of the Word of God will remain though both heaven and earth pass away and a new heaven and earth shall come where there is no more sea/ flesh~ that flesh/ sea being the carnality of humanity.
You say “But God has revealed to us His plan to save all men……. “ Yes, this is indisputable. ….. quoting you: “…. and God’s work is both ongoing, and it is also coming to a consummation.”
This consummation is within us as with the precursor being “the Kingdom of God within you”, that being…Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
…the ongoing work of God that brings us ultimately to unity in Christ not all of humanity at the same time, though God could do such a thing, yet the Word of God shows us the process is few chosen many called.
What I am asking is, do you not think it is possible that the purging of the flesh of carnal Adam is not going to end with all humanity becoming extinct but rather transformed in the salvation of all in a consummation of God’s work that is also ongoing as His Kingdom expands? Will humanity become extinct or will only the carnality of humanity become extinct, overcome, when death shall no longer have power over us that is God’s work that is as you say, both ongoing and also coming to a consummation both within us and to the world.
I recognize and believe that only Jesus Christ has been resurrected and perfected. So as we believe we have the earnest of our inheritance within us, and as God works in us to cause us to be purged of carnality, is this not the way we are to see each other, as being those among whom and for whom Christ has died? I think it is. That the antichrist are them that refuse that Jesus is come in the flesh may be our very selves who refuse to see, and resist this truth in our every day interactions with one another.
That the flesh of carnal Adam will all be destroyed, and such consummation will be the achievement of God’s work in us, I believe is worked out a few at a time, as is the method of God working all things in accord to the council of His Will.
The fulfillment or consummation of the Will of God means the annihilation of the Beast, 666 in the human race and Christ shows The Way and is The Way.
I am glad I could write this to you in the Spirit that it is meant…just sharing…enjoying and being grateful to God for the opportunity. I hope you are okay with that.
Blessings,
D____
Hi D____,
Everything you say in this e- mail is right except for thinking that Christ’s body of flesh and bone proves that Christ in not now spirit. The only reason Christ appeared in “a body of flesh and bone” was because of the lack of faith of His own eleven disciples”.
Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Christ’s appearance with “flesh and bone” was specifically for that purpose. Materializing in a body of flesh and bone served the same purpose that the holes in His hands and in His side served. Those were no more permanent than the rest of His body of flesh and bone. After all He materialized or appeared in a locked or “shut up” room.
Joh 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [ then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [ be] unto you.
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [ it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
If we use these verses to prove that our resurrected bodies are physical bodies, then we must also insist that the flaws of our physical bodies, like holes in our hands and side, are also part of that resurrection. Your contention:
Yet we are told that the flesh and blood of Jesus is not as Adam of dust only, and…
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
The body of Jesus which was Resurrected from the dead, is incorruptible yet also was FLESH:
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have.
I believe that a SPIRIT doesn’t have flesh and bones. God IS Spirit, everywhere all the time. Jesus Christ is the Son of Man Son of God pre- eminent heir of God with whom those He Elects, share in His Inheritance of all things.
No D___ , we are not “told that the flesh and blood of Jesus was not as Adam of dust only…” The exact opposite is true because we are told that He “partook of the same... flesh and blood”.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Every word of these four verse of Heb 2 conflicts with your statement that “the flesh and blood of Jesus is not as Adam of dust only”. If Christ were not of “the same… flesh and blood” as Adam, then He has no right to say ” that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest… ” and if Christ’s flesh was in any way different from Adam’s flesh then it is different from our flesh and this next verse would also be completely hollow and a lie.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
But all five of these verses of Heb 2 are true. He really was “made of a woman, made under the law” exactly like all of us, with “the same… flesh and blood”. It is only based on these facts that this next verse has any meaning at all:
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
If Christ were not struggling with our flesh and blood with all of its weaknesses, then Heb 4:15 is a blatant lie and he was not “tempted like as we are”.
So much for Christ’s flesh not being “the same Adamic flesh as ours. Yes, He was born of the holy spirit, but he was also “made of a woman, made under the law” both of which mean He was “made sin… who knew no sin”.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him [ to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Now, here is the Truth of our resurrected bodies right out of the mouth of our Lord:
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
We cannot see the wind, but we can see what it does. So the fact that spirit has the capability of materializing in a body full of wounds does not make a spiritual body into a physical body. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the spirit is spirit, which you “canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth”.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
A resurrected spiritual body can, and throughout the millennium will, appear when needed as “a body of flesh and bone”. But a physical body which has not been resurrected from among the dead cannot become a spiritual body at will.
I hope all of these verses help you to see that “flesh and blood [ or bone, from whence the blood comes], cannot inherit the kingdom of God”.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
… and that the ability for spirit to materialize does not mean that spirit is flesh. There is no such thing as a physical spiritual body. There is only, in Biblical terms, a spiritual body which can appear as a physical body which can eat and drink and have holes in it.
I hope this is received in the spirit of love in which it is given.
Your brother in Christ.
Mike
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