The Spirit Upon David

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Hi A____,
Thank you for taking the time to at write to me of your concerns.
You say:

As I said in that letter you read, “it is never my intention to offend but to instruct.” In that spirit I would ask you to reread that letter much slower when you have more time.
It is obvious that you have not taken the time to consider any of the questions posed in that letter. I quote and deal with Psa 51:11 where King David, says “take not thy Holy Spirit from me.” What is the difference between that verse and 1Sa 16:13? Of course God’s “holy spirit came upon” King David, and of course, King David, in shadow and in type, had the “the holy spirit upon him”. But King David certainly was not in any way “born again of the spirit,” and he certainly did not have God’s holy spirit within His heart and mind to change him from being a carnal king to becoming a spiritual king, as you yourself note when you say:

And in the same breath you dismiss the fact that King David meant for Solomon to literally kill Joab, Shimei and others.

1Ki 2:8 And, behold, thou King Solomon hast with thee Shimei the son of Gera, a Benjamite of Bahurim, which cursed me with a grievous curse in the day when I went to Mahanaim: but he came down to meet me at Jordan, and I sware to him by the LORD, saying, I will not put thee to death with the sword.
1Ki 2:9 Now therefore hold him not guiltless: for thou [ art] a wise man, and knowest what thou oughtest to do unto him; but his hoar head bring thou down to the grave with blood.

Does that sound like someone who is “born again of the spirit” and has been empowered to “love his enemies, and to do good to them that despitefully use and persecute you for my name’s sake”? I think you know that is not a forgiving born- again spirit in King David.
That was but one of several very pertinent questions which I posed in that letter. So please take the time to reread that letter and for your own benefit, take the time to answer the questions as posed.
No, King David was as carnal as the day is long, just as Elijah was when the Lord had him to call down fire from heaven and kill two captains and their fifties.

Luk 9:54  And when his disciples James and John saw [ this], they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
Luk 9:55  But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Luk 9:56  For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save [ them]. And they went to another village.

Christ’s disciples were of the exact same spirit King David was of. It was a spirit of vengeance and hatred for one’s enemies.
As I posed in that e- mail, if the holy spirit could have been given before Christ came and died, then Christ was lying to his disciples when He told them that it was absolutely necessary that He return to His Father or the holy spirit could not come. I copied that letter for you below. Here is a cut and paste from that letter, which I don’t think you had the time to consider:

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
If, as you say…,
It would seem the Holy Spirit was indeed available to a select few BEFORE Pentecost. I’m left to conclude that David will probably be in the first resurrection then. What do you say??
… then what Christ is telling His disciples here is a blatant lie, and it is not expedient at all that He die or “the Comforter will not come unto you…”

I look forward to reading your answers to those questions which concern the sum of God’s Word. You are right, God’s Word does not contradict itself, but our lack of understanding sometimes makes it appear that “grace and truth” were both already here before Christ. Is that really what you believe? Do you really believe that King David is greater than John and will be in the kingdom of God that rules the nations with a rod of iron during the millennium? If that is what you believe, are you not making God’s word to contradict itself when it says this?

Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Again, I am not intending to offend you, but your reading of that letter was obviously very cursory, as you admit, so please take the time to read and consider the scriptures included in that letter.

Your brother in Christ,

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