Christs Second Coming
Hi Mike,
I just was reading up on your trinity papers and see that the spirit and Jesus are one and the same not two totally different people.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
What a great verse you point out to the Greek words. My question is since Jesus is the parakleetos can we say that Jesus’ second advent to the earth is just when we receive the Holy Spirit? When the disciples received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and Paul was converted on the road to Damascus and I was brought to my knees in conviction to my own sinful condition, are not these than the second advent of Christ in the form of the spirit? Would not a future physical descent mean a third advent of the Lord? Please let me know your thoughts this has been on my mind all week.
Thank You. Your Brother In Christ,
M____
Hi M____,
Thank you for your question.
You say:
I just was reading up on your trinity papers and see that the spirit and Jesus are one and the same, not two totally different people.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: “
I agree that 1Jn 2:1 sounds as if it is saying that Christ is the holy spirit. But Joh 16:13 also sounds as if it is saying the exact opposite:
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Who is this “spirit of truth?” It is none other than “the comforter” or as the Greek reads – ‘the parakleetos.’
Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
If we take either of these verses by themselves, and apart from the rest of God’s Word, we can easily make the case that the scriptures contradict themselves, and we are right there snared by the Adversary who wants nothing more than to have us all in that very state of mind.
That is why Psa 119:160 is so very vital to a proper understanding of God’s Word.
Psa 119:160 The sum of thy word is truth; And every one of thy righteous ordinances endureth for ever.
All your Babylonian friends, totally unaware of this vital principle concerning the Word of God, seem to think that this says ‘ some of thy word is truth’ and will always say “Yes, but what about such and such a verse” when confronted with a verse that contradicts their Babylonian doctrines. They are more than willing to ignore those verses which reveal the error of their doctrines and cling to verses which seem to bolster their false Babylonian teachings.
No seeker of the mind of Christ will ever settle for such a intellectually dishonest approach to what is the very Word of God.
So what is “the sum of God’s Word” concerning Christ relationship to and with the holy spirit? Why don’t we let Him tell us Himself right here in this same chapter, and right here in the very next verses:
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall take of mine, and shall declare it unto you.
Joh 16:15 All things whatsoever the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he taketh of mine, and shall declare it unto you.
So whose really is the holy spirit? It is the Father’s spirit, and the scriptures so clearly declare:
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, in whom ye were sealed unto the day of redemption.
Who is God? Is Christ the “one God,” or has the Father “given all He has to Christ?” What is “the sum of God’s Word” on this subject?
1Co 8:6 yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.
So just as Pharaoh gave all he had to Joseph while retaining the “power of the throne,” so too, has God given all He has to Christ, yes, even “the holy spirit of God,” while retaining the power of the throne.
Now what you say about Christ’s second coming is right on target. You say:
My question is since Jesus is the parakleetos can we say that Jesus’ second advent to the earth is just when we receive the Holy Spirit? When the disciples received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and Paul was converted on the road to Damascus and I was brought to my knees in conviction to my own sinful condition, are not these then the second advent of Christ in the form of the spirit? Would not a future physical descent mean a thirrd advent of the Lord?
As we just saw, the Father gave Christ the ‘parakleetos,’ and the parakleetos is Christ’s to give to whom He wills. But yes, indeed, when Christ came on the day of Pentecost, when He came to Paul on the road to Damascus and when He comes to you and me, that is His “second coming,” and when he comes to rule “the kingdoms of this world,” that will be an entirely different event, and is definitely not His “second coming.” Look at this verse which concerns these appearings which you reference:
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Neither Christ nor His Father are way off on planet heaven. When Christ left this earth, He did so “in the clouds,” and those ‘clouds’ symbolize Christ’s witnesses whose witnesses we are:
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
What is “a cloud?”
Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Spiritual eyes see clearly who are this cloud of witnesses:
Luk 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
God gives of His spirit through Him to whom He has “given all things,” through Christ. Christ did not have far to go when He was “received of a cloud.” You and I are that ‘cloud of witnesses’ who receive Him. He tells us this is so:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world [ Greek, aion, age]. Amen.
I hope this helps you to see both 1Jn 2:1 and Joh 16 in a more comprehensive way which will clarify to you that Christ is not the holy spirit, but rather is God’s channel for giving that spirit to those who He wills.
Luk 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
And yes indeed, Christ’s second coming is when He comes to each of us and destroys the man of sin within each of us “witht he brightness of His coming.”
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first [ a “carrying away into Babylon”], and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [ the old you and the old me]
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. [“Who can make war with the beast?” Rev 13:4]
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [ will let], until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his [ second] coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Your brother in Christ,
Mike
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