Dear Mike,

I have been studying the Word myself and researching for some time to understand the difference between the lights in Gen. 1:3 and 1:14 which interestingly ‘D’ has also raised.
Your explanation has thrown no light on the question raised by ‘D’ but instead has raised further subjects of controversy as noted in the paragraph extracted from your website shown below.

But we are also told that the light was not yet on “the face of the deep.” ‘The face of the deep’ is a parable of the spiritual sin and spiritual darkness into which we are born, both physically in our mother’s womb and spiritually outside the physical womb. Contrary to all that Babylon teaches, (What Babylon teaching you are referring to in this regard?) mankind was not shapen in righteousness(Does this mean that God is not seen as righteous, because man was created in His image?) then fell into sin.(How does this stack up with Rom 3:23? All have sinned and fallen short…. does give the understanding that mankind was originally created in righteousness of God’s image otherwise the question of the fall has no basis) Rather Adam was deliberately “marred in the hand of the Potter.”(Can you sight the biblical basis for this argument?) It was all by God’s design, and it is revealed to us in Genesis. “God created the heaven and the earth, but darkness was [ first] on the face of the deep,” and later “light shines out of darkness” upon the ‘earth.’

I agree with the fact that the darkness was there from the initial creation before the creation of the light in 1:3. This I believe is the spiritual light emitting from God’s own glory and can only be maintained by divine source. I also have my own personal view that the light in 1:14 is the cosmic light subjected to manipulation by human intelligence given by God for our earthly existence. So using God given wisdom mankind is able to expel the cosmic darkness with the flick of a switch but Satan knew that mankind will never be able to expel the spiritual darkness by himself using his intellectual mind. It is for this reason that Satan deceived Adam and Eve into falling into the trap of spiritual darkness where all humanity is today except those who are being rescued from the domains of darkness by God and being transferred into the kingdom of the Son He loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sin. (Col. 1:13-14).

Please comment.
Warm regards and blessings,
R____

Hi R____,

Thank you for all your questions. It is encouraging that you are seeking to understand the subject of the different lights spoken of in the creation account.
You say:

Your explanation has thrown no light on the question raised by ‘D’ but instead has raised further subjects of controversy as noted in the paragraph extracted from your website shown below.

I am sorry that my explanation made no sense to you. It is my prayer that after I show you the scriptures that answer your questions, there will be more light thrown on this subject. So let me take your questions in order.
You first quote me, and then you ask:

But we are also told that the light was not yet on “the face of the deep.” ‘The face of the deep’ is a parable of the spiritual sin and spiritual darkness into which we are born, both physically in our mother’s womb and spiritually outside the physical womb. Contrary to all that Babylon teaches,(What Babylon teaching are you referring to in this regard?)

I am referring to the false doctrines of free moral agency and mankind having an immortal soul which are taught in all the churches of Babylon. For a much more in depth discussion of this subject, please read this e- mail I have already written on those two subjects.

http:// www. iswasandwillbe. com/ How_ The_ Trinity_ Supports_ All_ Other_ False_ Doctrines. php

If we are simply seeking to know the Truth, then we will welcome any attempt at “trying the spirits to see whether they are of God” (1Jn 4:1).
Your next two questions were:

mankind was not shapen in righteousness(Does this mean that God is not seen as righteous, because man was created in His image?) then fell into sin.(How does this stack up with Rom 3:23? All have sinned and fallen short…. does give the understanding that mankind was originally created in righteousness of God’s image otherwise the question of the fall has no basis)

No, this does not mean that God is not righteous simply because He created a sinning machine called Adam.

Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

God did not create man in His image, as we have been taught, but God is rather creat ing man in His image. The “first man Adam” (2Co 15:45) is simply the first step in that creation process of “creating man… in His image”. Here is the literal translation without the false doctrine of ‘the fall of man’ influencing the translators:

Gen 1:26 And saying is the Elohim, “Make will We humanity in Our image, and according to Our likeness, and sway shall they over the fish of the sea, and over the flyer of the heavens, and over the beast, and over all land life, and over every moving animal moving on the land.
Gen 1:27 And creating is the Elohim humanity in His image. In the image of the Elohim He creates it. Male and female He creates them. (CLV)

If this is not so, then Paul was completely deceived when he said this:

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual [“conformed to the image of His Son”, Rom 8:29] , but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood [“the first man Adam”] cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son [ the finished product], that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

I did not write any of that. Adam is called “the son of God” (Luk 3:38), but not yet “conformed to the image of His Son”. Those words are inspired of the holy spirit. “The first man Adam” was created out of the dusty clay of this earth, as the “flesh and blood… old man” of scripture, which we are right here told “cannot inherit the kingdom of God”. So the “first man Adam” is but the first step to “the image of the heavenly” which will indeed be “conformed to the image of His Son”, the finished product, truly “in the image of God”. God is making mankind into His image, and the first part of that process is, by design, “marred in the hand of The Potter” (Jer 18:4).
This is all for the purpose of bringing mankind to see his need for a Savior to save him from his “naked… out of the ground… marred… dying” composition.
Here is what the scriptures tell us was all “the first man Adam” was ever intended to be:

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

The word ‘figure’ here is the Greek word ‘tupos’. “The first man Adam” was only intended to be a ‘tupos’, a type of the finished product. Look at verse 45 again:

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

If mankind had been made perfect to begin with by God, he would never have needed to be shown his own nakedness, the Biblical symbol for his marred, sinful condition, right from the hand of The Potter:

Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.

Again, it is not ‘He made it again’, rather it is ‘He is making it again’ into a “new man”.

Jer 18:4 and marred is the vessel that he is making, as clay in the hand of the potter, and he has turned and he makes it another vessel, as it was right in the eyes of the potter to make.” (CLV)

“He makes it another vessel”. And what is the composition of this Biblical “new man”?

Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

So it is the new man who being made into “the last Adam… after the image of Him that created him” as a “marred vessel” in the “first man Adam”.

You say:

All have sinned and fallen short…. does give the understanding that mankind was originally created in righteousness of God’s image otherwise the question of the fall has no basis)”

No, “All have sinned and fallen short” proves that Adam was not originally created in the righteousness of God’s image”. If he had been ‘in the righteousness of God’s image’, he would never have disobeyed his Creator.
Yes, you are exactly right, there is no basis for the doctrine of ‘the fall’. Where can dust ‘fall’??? Let’s let God tell us how and in what form He originally created mankind:

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

You continue quoting me pointing out that Adam was created “marred in the hand of the Potter”, and then you ask this question: “Rather Adam was deliberately “marred in the hand of the Potter.”(Can you [ cite] the biblical basis for this argument?) It was all by God’s design, and it is revealed to us in Genesis. “God created the heaven and the earth, but darkness was [ first] on the face of the deep,” and later “light shines out of darkness” upon the ‘earth.’

Yes, indeed I can “cite the biblical basis for this argument”. I gave that very statement to you from Jer 18:

Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.

If we are seeking the Truth of the Word of God, then this one verse should give us pause if we have been taught that Adam was created perfect. But as I also pointed out above, the phrase “out of the ground” tells anyone with spiritual understanding that Adam was not created perfect ed. The fact that Adam and Eve weren’t even ashamed of their own nakedness until they “became as one of us to know good and evil”, tells us that Adam was not “as one of us” until after disobeying his Creator, as he was designed to do in a naked, out of the ground body.
“Knowing good and evil” does not make God evil, as you suggest above. Creating the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil” does not make God evil. Creating darkness does not make God evil, and creating evil does not make God evil. It is the misconception that God does not create darkness, evil, nakedness and wicked men that keeps the churches of Babylon from being able to “know God and Jesus Christ”

Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Do not allow the influence of Babylon, via the NIV or any other Babylonian version of scripture, tell you that the word ‘evil’ here in Isa 45:7 should have been translated ‘calamity’. The Hebrew is ‘ra’, and it is the same Hebrew word translated as ‘evil’ in this verse:

Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

It is not ‘the tree of the knowledge of good and calamity’. It is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God did not make ‘even the wicked for the day of calamity’. He made the wicked within every man for the day of evil within every man.
Add to all of those verses concerning being naked, made of the dust, marred in the hand of the potter, earthy, out of the ground, and not yet “as one of us”; add to all of that this straight forward statement:

Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

You and I are “the creature”. It was our Creator who “made [ Adam and us] subject to vanity”. Was that the result of Adam’s fabled ‘free will”? Absolutely not. God knew before He ever created Adam that he and we would need a Savior. So we are told, “Not willingly but by reason of Him who subjected the same in hope”. Add to all of these verses of God’s Truth this additional, scriptural Truth:

1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

The Greek word for ‘mystery’ is ‘musterion’, which means a secret, which is known to only a few. Oh, how true that is. The whole Babylonian Christian world is completely unaware that God knew in advance what Adam would do because He created Adam “marred in the Potter’s hand”, and had already made provision for Adam’s sins by the sacrifice of His own Son. And this was all done and ordained by God “before the world began”.

2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Here is your last paragraph:

I agree with the fact that the darkness was there from the initial creation before the creation of the light in 1:3. This I believe is the spiritual light emitting from God’s own glory and can only be maintained by divine source. I also have my own personal view that the light in 1:14 is the cosmic light subjected to manipulation by human intelligence given by God for our earthly existence. So using God given wisdom mankind is able to expel the cosmic darkness with the flick of a switch but Satan knew that mankind will never be able to expel the spiritual darkness by himself using his intellectual mind. It is for this reason that Satan deceived Adam & Eve into falling into the trap of spiritual darkness where all humanity is today except those who are being rescued from the domains of darkness by God and being transferred into the kingdom of the Son He loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sin. (Col. 1:13-14).

Go back and reread all of Colossians one. What you will see, Lord willing, is that everything that is done is done because “it pleased the Father”. There is not as much as a hint of free will in scripture. Those who use the verse in Joshua that says “choose ye this day”, while completely ignoring all the rest of the Bible, are simply not yet given to understand that Truth is to be found only in “the sum of Thy Word”, and that the fact that mankind makes millions of decisions every minute of every day in no way proves that a single such decision is free of the guiding hand of our Creator, and that none of our decisions are the result of human ‘free’ will. Rather the Truth is that God is “working all things after the counsel of His own will”. Read the paper by that title here:

http:// iswasandwillbe. com/ sovereignty. php

Psa 119:160 The sum of thy word is truth; And every one of thy righteous ordinances endureth for ever. (ASV)

Doctrine is never to be established upon one scripture alone, but upon “the sum” of God’s Word.

2Pe 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture at all is becoming its own explanation. (CLV)

It is not my intention of offend you. But I am even more concerned about offending my Creator if I fail to be faithful to His Word. In that spirit I hope I have given you the opportunity to see verses of scripture you certainly are not going to have pointed out to you in the churches of Babylon. That is why we are all given this exhortation:

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Your brother in “the last Adam”, who is being made “after the image of His that created him” (Col 3:10),

Mike