The Stars of Heaven
B___ wrote:
Hello again Mike! Greetings from Australia – I hope you and your family are well.
It has been great to listen to all the new material posted on your site from the Dallas conference as well as the new “you asked” questions. My wife and I are doing well and are growing in the Lord with each passing week as we continue to study the word and discuss the things of the spirit together. It is indeed a lonely walk, but we are definitely counting it a blessing to be privy to things that “… many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them…” (Mat 13.17)
I also am very grateful for teachers such as yourself for being obedient to God faithful to the teaching of scripture rather than the traditions of men.
Anyway, on to my topic at hand; After hearing you speak on one of the Google videos about the types and symbols of the 7 days of creation I decided to start looking more in depth at this. My question pertains specifically to the “stars of heaven” and also Mat 24.And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.By comparing “spiritual with spiritual” I can clearly see that the “light of the Sun” is Christ and his word and “darkness” is when we are blinded by the false doctrines of the spiritual establishment and agenda of our time. In this condition “… the light within us is darkness and how great is that darkness…” (Mat 6.23) Like the Pharisees, while in this condition we say that we see and as a result continue to stagger about blindly in the night indulging our spiritual lives with drunkenness and fornication. In Mat 24 we read
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.
My understanding of this chapter and verse specifically is that once we come to see that the Sun (Christ) we have been looking to for nourishment and light is in fact the “other Jesus” (2Co 11.4) and that we are in fact “blind and do not see” then we realize that the Sun is darkened and the moon (the teachings of hypocrisy we sit under while we are carnal babes in Christ) no longer holds any light for us. However the “stars shall fall from Heaven” has me slightly puzzled… What seems to be a common thread in the O. T is that Abraham’s seed and the children of Israel are likened again and again to the “stars of heaven” (Gen 22:7, 26.4, Deu 1:10, 4.19, 10.22, 28.62 etc etc)
I guess what I’m having trouble grasping, Mike, is why it is of spiritual significance that the “stars fall from Heaven”? Is it just another way of saying “Babylon the Harlot has fallen”? (Rev 14.2, 18.2) Is it just saying that once we come to see our true spiritual state that all the ministers of Christendom who say they are Abraham’s seed but despise his word fall from our “Heavens”? I would appreciate any help you could give me on this Mike. If you have addressed this previously please direct me to your web page but I did search for it and didn’t see anything relating to my question. Anyway – God bless Mike, keep up the excellent work! B_____
Good morning B____,
I enjoyed your demonstration about how giving things to God impresses Him. This is what really ‘impresses’ God:
1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD [ as great] delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey [ is] better than sacrifice, [ and] to hearken than the fat of rams.
Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
I am constantly amazed at how many times we overlook the word “not” in scripture. “Not sacrifice… not a Jew… these are not the seed of Abraham,” etc.
Jer 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means [‘Give me 10% of your gross income’]; and my people love [ to have it] so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
It is all part of God’s working of all things together for His purpose and for our good. I thank Him for it and pray that He always keeps me grateful for the incredible blessings I have been given at His hand. It really is a blessing to be counted worthy to suffer for His name’s sake. ‘His name’s sake’ is His word and anyone who knows and does His Word will suffer in this flesh for doing so.
You say:
What seems to be a common thread in the O. T is that Abraham’s seed and the children of Israel are likened again and again to the “stars of heaven”(Gen 22.7, 26.4, Deu 1.10, 4.19, 10.22, 28.62 etc etc)
I guess what I’m having trouble grasping Mike is why it is of spiritual significance that the “stars fall from Heaven”?
Is it just another way of saying “Babylon the Harlot has fallen”? (Rev 14.2, 18.2)
Is it just saying that once we come to see our true spiritual state that all the ministers of Christendom who say they are Abraham’s seed but despise his word fall from our “Heavens”?
In answer to your question, I am going to remind you what and where is heaven. You are right to remember that Abraham’s children are said to be as the stars of heaven for number. But they are also said to be as the sand of the sea for number.
Heb 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
Now with this verse in mind, I want you also to consider this verse of God’s Word:
Heb 9:23 [ It was] therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these [ the blood of calves and goats]; but the heavenly things themselves [ you and me] with better sacrifices than these.
It is not one person in a thousand who understands that the heavens need cleansing. And it is even fewer who understand what and where heaven is.
So what I am saying is that your assessment is exactly correct.
“[ It is] just another way of saying ‘Babylon the Harlot has fallen’? (Rev 14.2, 18.2)[ It is] just saying that once we come to see our true spiritual state that all the ministers of Christendom who say they are Abraham’s seed but despise his word fall from our ‘Heavens’?”
The “stars falling from heaven” of Mat 24 are the powers and principalities within our heavens which must fall before we can even recognize our blinded and hopeless condition.
I hope this helps you to see that stars are angels in our heavens and that not all angels are “angels of light.”
Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Let me know if I have not covered this to your satisfaction.
Mike
P. S. I certainly will pass along your words of gratitude to those who help out so much.
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