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What We Shall Be

[Part 1 – Study Aired Oct 1, 2024]
[Part 2 – Study Aired Oct 8, 2024]

As believers in Christ, we stand at the threshold of a profound transformation—a journey from our natural, earthly state to a spiritual, heavenly one. This transition culminates in a glorious spiritual state that often remains veiled to our current understanding. The Apostle Paul hints at this transformation in 2 Corinthians 5:17:

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

This verse speaks of a radical change, a new creation that begins the moment we come to faith in Christ. But what is the ultimate form of this new creation? What will we be when we fully transition from the natural to the spiritual?

The prophet Isaiah, centuries before Christ, foresaw this newness:

(Isaiah 43:19) “Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.”

This Old Testament prophecy points to the transformative work of God, which finds its fullest expression in Christ and our future glorification.

The Apostle John, in his first epistle, acknowledges the mystery surrounding our future state:

“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” (1 John 3:2)

This verse encapsulates both the certainty of our transformation and the mystery surrounding its final form. We are already children of God, yet our ultimate spiritual state remains veiled.

The prophet Daniel also spoke of this future glorified state:

(Daniel 12:2-3) “And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.”

As we progress through this study, we must remember the words of our Lord Jesus in Luke 17:20-21:

“The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”

This passage reminds us that the spiritual state we’re exploring is not an external, observable change, but an internal, spiritual reality. It begins in the heart and manifests in our lives as we grow in Christ, ultimately culminating in a glorified spiritual state.

To grasp these spiritual truths, we must heed the instruction of 1 Corinthians 2:13:

“Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.”

Our study will rely not on man’s wisdom or speculation, but on the teachings of the holy spirit as revealed in Scripture. We will compare spiritual truths with spiritual truths, using God’s Word to interpret itself and illuminate our understanding of what we shall become.

As we explore this topic, let’s approach it with humility, remembering the counsel of Proverbs 28:26:

“He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.“

Our goal in this study is not merely to satisfy curiosity about our future state, but to gain a deeper understanding of God’s ultimate purpose for us. As we review what we shall be, may we be transformed by the renewing of our minds (Romans 12:2), growing ever more into the image of Christ.

As we begin to explore this profound transformation, we must first understand our current natural state and its limitations. This understanding will serve as a foundation for grasping the magnitude of the change that awaits us.

As we learned in our previous study, the natural or carnal mind is fundamentally limited in its ability to grasp spiritual truths. Paul articulates this in Romans 8:6-7:

“For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.”

This aligns with what we saw in 1 Corinthians 2:14:

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

The prophet Isaiah also spoke of this spiritual blindness:

(Isaiah 6:9) “And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.”

We previously discussed the concept of the ‘old man’ or ‘old nature’. Paul describes this in Ephesians 4:22:

“That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;”

This ‘old man’ corresponds to what Paul calls the “image of the earthy” in 1 Corinthians 15:49:

“And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.“

This earthy nature traces back to Adam’s creation, as described in Genesis 2:7:

“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”

Paul further elaborates on this concept in Romans 5:12-14:

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.”

TThis passage underscores how our natural state has always been fundamentally sinful, with Adam’s transgression serving as the point where sin and its consequences were fully realized in the world. This “reign of death” characterizes our natural state from conception, emphasizing our deep need for transformation through Christ.

Our previous study emphasized the importance of spiritual discernment in overcoming the limitations of our natural state. Hebrews 5:14 highlights this:

“But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”

The prophets recognized this need for divine insight. Jeremiah prayed:

(Jeremiah 10:23) “O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.”

As we concluded in our last study, our natural state necessitates a profound transformation. Jesus emphasizes this in John 3:3:

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.“

Ezekiel prophesied about this transformation:

(Ezekiel 36:26) “A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.“

Having grasped the limitations of our natural state, we can now turn our attention to the remarkable process of transformation that God initiates in believers. This journey from our carnal nature to a spiritual one is both gradual and profound, involving every aspect of our being.

As our last study showed the transformation from our natural state to our spiritual state is not instantaneous, but a progressive journey. Paul describes this process in 2 Corinthians 3:18:

“But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”

This gradual transformation is also reflected in the Old Testament. The Psalmist writes:

(Psalm 84:7) “They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appeareth before God.”

This progression suggests that our transformation is an ongoing process, where we continually grow and mature spiritually.

A crucial aspect of this transformation involves putting off our old nature and putting on a new one. Paul explains this in Ephesians 4:22-24:

“That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”

This concept of exchanging an old nature for a new one is also present in the Old Testament. Isaiah prophesies:

(Isaiah 61:10) “I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.”

The holy spirit plays a crucial role in this transformation process. Paul writes in Titus 3:5-6:

“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;”

This work of the holy spirit was prophesied in the Old Testament. Joel declared:

(Joel 2:28-29) “And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.”

The holy spirit’s work in us is transformative, enabling us to understand spiritual truths and empowering us to live according to God’s will.

It’s important to note that this transformation process often involves trials and suffering. James speaks to this in James 1:2-4:

”My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.”

Similarly, Paul writes in Romans 5:3-5:

”And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.”

These passages reveal that our trials are not meaningless, but are part of God’s transformative work in our lives, producing perseverance, character, and hope.

A key aspect of this transformation is the renewal of our minds. As Paul exhorts in Romans 12:2:

“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”

Paul provides practical guidance for this mental renewal in Philippians 4:8:

“Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.”

This New Testament instruction echoes the Old Testament wisdom found in Psalm 1:2:

“But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.“

Both passages emphasize the importance of deliberately focusing our minds on godly things as part of our transformation process.

This renewal causes us to think and perceive in alignment with God’s truth, gradually shifting us from natural to spiritual understanding.

The Psalmist recognized the importance of this mental renewal:

(Psalm 51:10) “Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.”

It’s crucial to understand that this transformation is not just an individual process, but also a communal one. Paul describes this in Ephesians 4:15-16:

“But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.“

This New Testament teaching reflects the Old Testament concept of God’s people growing together, as seen in Malachi 3:16-18:

“Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.”

These passages highlight how our individual transformation contributes to and is supported by the growth of the entire body of believers.

As we contemplate this ongoing process of transformation, our hearts and minds naturally turn to its ultimate goal. What is the final destination of this spiritual journey? Scripture provides us with tantalizing glimpses of our future spiritual state, revealing a reality that far surpasses our current experience or imagination.

This transformation process is not just about us as individuals or even as the church, but is part of God’s grand plan for all of creation. Paul hints at this in Ephesians 1:9-10:

”Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:”

And again in Colossians 1:19-20:

”For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.”

These passages state that our transformation is part of a reconciliation and renewal of all men that God is working out through Christ. As we are transformed into Christ’s image, we participate in and contribute to this grand divine plan.

As we progress in our study, we will explore the ultimate outcome of this transformation – our future spiritual state.

As we have seen, Scripture provides glimpses of our future spiritual state, though much remains a mystery. Let’s explore what God’s Word reveals about what we shall be when we fully transition from the natural to the spiritual.

The ultimate goal of our transformation is to be conformed to the image of Christ. This conformity encompasses not just our appearance, but our entire nature, including perfect holiness and the fullness of knowledge. Paul writes in Romans 8:29:

“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.”

This aligns with John’s statement in 1 John 3:2 and the Psalmist’s anticipation in Psalm 17:15. Part of this conformity includes attaining perfect knowledge and wisdom, as Paul elaborates in 1 Corinthians 13:9-12:

(1 John 3:2) “Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.”

(Psalms 17:15) “As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.”

(1 Corinthians 13:9-12) “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”

This fulfills Isaiah’s prophecy and Jeremiah’s promise of universal knowledge of the Lord.

(Isaiah 11:9) “They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.” 

(Jeremiah 31:34) “And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Peter reveals another aspect of our future state in 2 Peter 1:4:

“Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.”

This concept of sharing in God’s nature echoes the original purpose of man’s creation as stated in Genesis 1:26-27:

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”

Paul provides insight into the nature of our future bodies in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44:

“So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.”

This transformation of our bodies is further elaborated in Philippians 3:20-21:

“For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.”

The prophet Daniel also spoke of this glorified state in Daniel 12:3:

“And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.”

While we’ve focused largely on individual transformation, it’s crucial to understand that our future spiritual state has both individual and corporate dimensions. Paul often uses the metaphor of a body to describe the church (1 Corinthians 12:12-27), suggesting that our individual glorification is part of a larger, corporate glorification of the entire body of Christ. Our perfect unity with Christ will also mean perfect unity with each other, experiencing a level of community and harmony that far surpasses our current experience.

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While these glimpses of our future state are awe-inspiring, they naturally lead us to consider the specific attributes that will characterize our glorified existence. Scripture provides us with further insights into the qualities and capacities we will possess in our spiritual state.

As we explore the attributes of our future spiritual state, we find several key characteristics revealed in Scripture. While we “see through a glass darkly” as (1 Corinthians 13:12) states regarding many aspects of our future state, God’s Word provides clear insights into certain attributes we will possess.

One of the most significant attributes of our spiritual state will be immortality and incorruption. Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 15:53-54:

“For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.“

This fulfills the prophetic vision of Isaiah:

(Isaiah 25:8) “He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.”

In our spiritual state, we will no longer be subject to decay, disease, or death. Our existence will be eternal and incorruptible.

In our spiritual state, we will experience perfect holiness. Paul describes the church in its glorified state in Ephesians 5:27:

“That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.”

Jude affirms this in his doxology:

(Jude 1:24) “Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,”

This state of perfect holiness fulfills the Old Testament promise of Zechariah 14:20-21, where even mundane items will be holy to the Lord.

(Zechariah 14:20-21) “In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD’S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.“

Perhaps the most profound attribute of our spiritual state will be unhindered communion with God. John describes this in Revelation 21:3:

“And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.“

This echoes God’s covenant promise in Ezekiel 37:26-27:

“Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

In Revelation 22:4, John further states, “And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.” This direct, face-to-face communion with God will be the ultimate fulfillment of our created purpose and the source of eternal joy and satisfaction.

Our spiritual state will not be one of passive existence, but of active, purposeful service. Revelation 22:3 tells us:

“And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:”

This service will be a joy, not a burden, as we fulfill our created purpose in perfect harmony with God’s will.

In our spiritual state, we will experience perfect unity with Christ and with one another. Jesus prayed for this in John 17:21-23:

“That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.”

This unity will be a perfect reflection of the unity within the Godhead, demonstrating God’s love to all of creation.

As marvelous as these attributes of our future state are, they represent only part of the picture. Scripture reveals that our glorified existence will not be one of passive rest, but of active participation in God’s eternal kingdom. Our future state encompasses not only what we will be, but also what we will do. We will have specific roles and responsibilities that reflect our new nature and allow us to actively engage in God’s ongoing work.

One of the most striking aspects of our future role is that we will reign with Christ. Paul writes in 2 Timothy 2:12:

“If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:”

This verse underscores the connection between our present faithfulness and our future role. It encourages us to endure hardships, knowing that they prepare us for our future responsibilities.

This promise of reigning is not limited to Paul’s writings. In the book of Revelation, we see a glimpse of the glorified church, described in terms that echo both royal and priestly functions:

(Revelation 5:10)”And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.“

This verse presents a stunning picture of our future state. We are not merely subjects in God’s kingdom, but active participants in its governance. The dual role of kings and priests suggests that our reign will involve both authority and service, mirroring Christ’s own role as King and High Priest.

This concept of reigning with Christ fulfills the vision given to Daniel:

(Daniel 7:27) “And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.”

Our reign with Christ will be an extension of His authority and a fulfillment of God’s original mandate for humanity to have dominion over creation (Genesis 1:28).

(Gen 1:28) “And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.“

Paul reveals another aspect of our future role in 1 Corinthians 6:2-3:

“Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?”

This judicial role aligns with Daniel’s prophecy:

(Daniel 7:22) “Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.”

While Scripture doesn’t provide extensive details about this aspect of our future role, it clearly indicates a position of great responsibility and authority in the spiritual realm. The exact nature of this judgment remains a mystery, but it underscores the elevated status we will have in Christ.

Our glorified state will also be characterized by eternal worship and service to God. John describes this in Revelation 7:15:

“Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.”

This eternal service is further elaborated in Revelation 22:3:

“And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:”

This eternal worship and service fulfills Isaiah’s vision of continual worship in the new creation:

“And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.” (Isaiah 66:23)

Our worship and service in the spiritual realm will not be a burden, but a joy and the fulfillment of our created purpose.

In our glorified state, we will perfectly reflect God’s glory. Paul hints at this in 2 Corinthians 3:18:

“But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”

This transformation will reach its completion in our spiritual state, fulfilling God’s purpose to conform us to the image of His Son (Romans 8:29). We will serve as living testimonies to God’s grace and power, reflecting His glory throughout His creation. However, it’s crucial to understand that our glorified state and service will not occur in isolation.

Our future spiritual state will be set within the broader context of an entirely new creation – a reality that forms the perfect backdrop for our eternal communion with God and service in His kingdom. This new creation is an integral part of God’s redemptive plan, providing the setting for our glorified existence.

This future state represents the culmination of God’s work, where we will reflect His image more perfectly than ever before. As we contemplate these future responsibilities, may we be inspired to serve God faithfully in our current state, growing in Christlikeness and preparing ourselves for the glorious roles that await us in eternity.

The Apostle Peter speaks of this new creation in 2 Peter 3:13:

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”

This echoes the prophecy of Isaiah:

(Isaiah 65:17) “For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”

And again in Isaiah 66:22:

“For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.”

John also provides a vivid description of this new creation in Revelation 21:1:

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”

This new creation will be the perfect environment for our glorified, spiritual state – a realm where righteousness dwells and where the effects of sin and corruption are completely absent.

Within this new creation, Scripture speaks of a heavenly city – New Jerusalem. The author of Hebrews refers to this city in Hebrews 12:22-24:

“But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”

John describes this city in detail in Revelation 21:2:

“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”

The prophet Isaiah foresaw the glory of this city:

(Isaiah 60:1-3) “Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.“

This heavenly city represents the dwelling place of God with His people, the center of the new creation where our spiritual state will find its fullest expression.

Ultimately, the new creation will be characterized by God’s all-encompassing presence. Paul describes this in 1 Corinthians 15:28:

“And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”

This aligns with the prophecy in Zechariah 14:9:

“And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.“

The concept of God being ‘all in all’ suggests a reality where God’s presence, will, and glory permeate every aspect of existence. Practically, this will mean that every action, thought, and aspect of creation will be in perfect harmony with God’s nature and purposes, with no hint of sin or rebellion.

In this new reality, the distinction between the spiritual and physical realms as we know them will cease. God’s presence will permeate all of creation, and our spiritual state will allow us to fully perceive and interact with this divine reality.

Our future spiritual state will be set within the context of a completely renewed creation. This new heaven and new earth, centered on the heavenly Jerusalem, will be the perfect environment for our glorified existence. In this new reality, where God is all in all, we will experience the fullness of our transformation, living in perfect harmony with God, each other, and all of creation. As we anticipate this glorious future, may we be inspired to live as citizens of heaven even now, allowing the reality of the coming new creation to shape our present lives and priorities.

Understanding our future spiritual state is not merely an academic exercise. This knowledge should profoundly impact how we live in the present. As we anticipate our glorious future, Scripture provides guidance on how we should respond to this hope.

The Apostle John emphasizes the purifying effect of our future hope in 1 John 3:2-3:

“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.“

This purification process is reminiscent of the refiner’s fire described by the prophet Malachi:

(Malachi 3:2-3) “But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap: And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.“

The hope of our future state should motivate us to pursue holiness and Christlikeness in our present lives.

Paul exhorts us to focus our thoughts on our future spiritual reality in Colossians 3:1-4:

“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.“

This mindset echoes the Psalmist’s devotion:

“Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee.” (Psalm 73:25)

Our future state should shape our present priorities, causing us to value eternal things over temporal ones.

The hope of our future glory gives us strength to endure present difficulties. Paul writes in Romans 8:18:

“For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.”

This perspective is reinforced in 2 Corinthians 4:17-18:

“For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.”

The prophet Isaiah also spoke of the strength that comes from hoping in the Lord:

“But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.” (Isaiah 40:31)

Our future state provides us with an eternal perspective that helps us persevere through trials and tribulations.

Finally, the knowledge of our future state should cause us to live as citizens of heaven, even while we remain on earth. Paul writes in Philippians 3:20-21:

“For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.”

This heavenly citizenship should be evident in our conduct, as Peter exhorts in 1 Peter 2:11-12:

“Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.”

The hope of our future spiritual state should profoundly impact our present lives. This anticipation should serve as a purifying force, redirecting our focus towards heavenly matters, strengthening us during trials, and motivating us to live as citizens of heaven. As we look forward to our glorious future, may we find inspiration to conduct ourselves in a manner worthy of our calling, allowing the reality of our future state to be reflected in our daily lives and actions.

As we conclude our study on what we shall be when we fully transition from the natural to the spiritual, let’s reflect on the key truths we’ve uncovered from Scripture:

The Apostle Paul prays in Ephesians 1:18:

“The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,“

Throughout this study, we’ve glimpsed the glorious hope of our calling in Christ. We’ve seen that we will be:

– Conformed to Christ’s image (Romans 8:29)
– Partakers of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4)
– Possessors of spiritual, incorruptible bodies (1 Corinthians 15:42-44)
– Endowed with perfect knowledge and understanding (1 Corinthians 13:12)

We’ve also explored our future roles, including reigning with Christ and eternal worship and service. All of this will take place in the context of a new creation, where God will be all in all.

This hope is not a vague wish, but a certain expectation based on God’s promises. As the prophet Jeremiah declared:

(Jeremiah 29:11) “For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

With this glorious future in view, we are called to press on toward the goal. Paul expresses this beautifully in Philippians 3:12-14:

“Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.“

This forward-looking perspective should characterize our lives as we anticipate our future spiritual state. We’re called to actively participate in the transformative work of the holy spirit, allowing the hope of our future to shape our present reality.

The prophet Micah captured this attitude of hopeful perseverance:

(Micah 7:7-8) “Therefore I will look unto the LORD; I will wait for the God of my salvation: my God will hear me. Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, the LORD shall be a light unto me.”

As we conclude, let’s remember that the knowledge of our future spiritual state is not meant to merely satisfy our curiosity, but to transform our lives. It will purify us, motivate us to holiness, strengthen us in trials, and cause us to live as citizens of heaven even now.

May the words of the Apostle John resonate in our hearts:

(1 John 3:2) “Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.“

Let this glorious hope of what we shall be inspire us to live lives worthy of our calling, eagerly anticipating the day when we shall fully transition from the natural to the spiritual, and see our Lord face to face.

[Study Aired June 18, 2020]

Heb 2:16  For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 
Heb 2:17  Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 
Heb 2:18  For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. 

God’s elect will give the more earnest heed as the spiritual “seed of Abraham” to whom Christ and His body are likened  (Gal 3:16) being those who were first granted the grace and faith (1Jn 5:4) needed at this time in order to overcome and endure until the end.

Gal 3:16  Now to Abraham and his seed [‘Christ and his spiritual seed’] were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many [Mat 22:14]; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

1Jn 5:4  For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith [‘It is the few who overcome the world within today by losing our life through Christ‘].

Eph 1:14  Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.  [We ought to give the more earnest heed to this “earnest of our inheritance” relationship with our Father and Christ (Joh 17:3).]

Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Rom 8:22  For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now [Abraham and all the prophets of old for example, groaned and suffered for our sakes (Jas 5:11, 2Co 4:15)].
Rom 8:23  And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

[Eph 1:14 God’s elect are learning to give “more earnest heed” to this process of patiently possessing our souls “until the redemption of the purchased possession” (Luk 21:19)]

Rom 8:24  For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8:25  But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

The opening verse of this last section of chapter two explains how those who are that holy seed, who are of that kingship and priesthood through Christ, typified by Abraham, are able to endure the temptations of this life and are being comforted by Christ in each other through God’s spirit which is able to “succour [comfort] them that are tempted” knowing that this temptation is promised to never be beyond what we can endure.

1Co 10:13  There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

[He uses the body to accomplish this bearing through the law of Christ that is working in the members of those who are connected to the vine as a joint which supplies in love (Gal 6:2-3, Eph 4:16]

Gal 6:2  Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
Gal 6:3  For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

[A healthy body of Christ like a healthy tree supports the fruit at the various stages that it grows supporting it and contributing to that growth as a joint that supplies (Luk 6:43-45, Joh 15:5]

Eph 4:16  From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Christ’s body (Col 1:24) is to “give the more earnest heed” in regard to knowing that we must be armed with the mind and suffering of Christ (1Pe 4:1) in order to become those kings and priests who bring forth much fruit together alongside Christ who will give us the ability to identify with this verse: “For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour [comfort] them that are tempted” (2Co 1:4). Those fiery trials through which we support each other are essential for bringing fruit unto maturation, and the trial of our faith is precious to God for what it works in the entire body which is learning to support and endure these fiery trials together (1Pe 1:7, 1Pe 4:12).

Col 1:24  Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church:

1Pe 4:1  Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

2Co 1:4  Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

In this study we will do a small overview of what we have talked about already in Hebrews chapter one and two and how those previous verses have brought us to these very succinct words in the last three verses of chapter two describing who Christ was in type and shadow as Abraham and who He is today as our high priest and who we will ultimately become (1Jn 3:2) because of what our Lord is accomplishing within our Father’s workmanship today (Eph 2:8-10, Tit 3:8).

We ought to give the more earnest heed to what it means to be called to become kings and priests, rejoicing, praising, and thanking God for the blessing to which we have been called. That blessing is to bring forth much fruit (Joh 15:8) through much tribulation in this life leading to eternal life (Psa 68:3-5, Rom 6:22-23, Act 14:22).

Psa 68:3  But let the righteous be glad; let them rejoice before God: yea, let them exceedingly rejoice.
Psa 68:4  Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.
Psa 68:5  A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.

Rom 6:22  But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23  For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Act 14:22  Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Heb 2:16  For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 

God moved the prophets of old for our sakes as He inspired them to point to the reality of the One who was going to be born the saviour of humanity (Isa 9:6). Christ would be used to speak to us as our high priest, being the one “whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds” (Heb 1:1-2). Chapter one of Hebrews sets the stage for how God is going to redeem mankind through our Lord who knows our form, who “made the worlds”, the physical world that typifies the workmanship we are in his hands (Eph 2:10). The Master Potter is able to take us in our marred condition and make us anew to the glory of God (Jer 18:4, Joh 15:8).

Heb 1:1  God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2  Hath in these last days [‘the last days of our fleshly carnal minds that are being destroyed by the brightness of his coming‘] spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jer 18:4  And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.

Christ did not come to earth so He could get comfortable with the idea of how it is to be a human for His own sake, “but he took on him the seed of Abraham” for our sake (2Co 4:15). We can so easily, in our fleshly thinking, separate ourselves from this momentous event in history when Christ was born of the virgin Mary, but that event was for our sakes and points to another momentous event. At the birth of the bride of Christ, typified by the birth of Jesus who is the head of the manchild [‘the bride’], who is later, on Pentecost, to be caught up into heaven (Isa 7:14, 2Co 11:2, Rev 14:4, Rev 12:5). The body of Christ is judged as those who go through this nine-month period of spiritual gestation in the church (1Pe 4:17), so we, like Christ, can be born again in an earnest relationship at first, becoming that seed of Christ, the children of God (1Jn 3:1) who are typified by the seed of Abraham (Gal 3:16, Rom 9:6-8, Rom 8:9).

Isa 7:14  Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

2Co 11:2  For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Rev 14:4  These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. [Rom 8:14-16] These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Rev 12:5  And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Gal 3:16  Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Rom 9:6  Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7  Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8  That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Rom 8:9  But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Chapter one of Hebrews boldly tells us it is not only Christ who is going to “Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool” (Heb 1:3, 13, Eph 2:6, Rev 4:10-11, Rev 3:9). Those who are being ministered to as Christ was when He was in this marred vessel of clay, who had to die daily and carry His cross just as He commanded His disciples to do, will also be there (Mat 16:24-26, 1Jn 4:17, Gal 2:20).

Heb 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins [Joh 17:17], sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Heb 1:13  But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Eph 2:6  And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Rev 4:10  The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Rev 4:11  Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Rev 3:9  Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Mat 16:24  Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 16:25  For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. [Eph 2:6]
Mat 16:26  For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

1Jn 4:17  Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

Gal 2:20  I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Chapter one of Hebrews sets the stage to help us understand that we have an high priest who is identifying with us in our marred condition for a reason.  That reason is so that we can go through the suffering of this life, enduring all things through Christ who strengthens us (Php 4:13), as we experience this hope of glory within (Col 1:27) which gives us the power to faithfully witness and overcome in this life (Rev 11:3). The inward enemies of the cross are naturally within us as a root of bitterness that could manifest if we don’t continue to diligently examine ourselves (Heb 12:15), and they are only overcome through Christ who gives us the power to bring every thought into subjection to Him (2Co 10:5) as we learn to patiently possess our souls sitting at His right hand where there is power to overcome and drink the cup we are called unto: “A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool” (2Ti 2:12, Joh 8:36, Psa 110:1, Mat 20:23).

Col 1:27  To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Rev 11:3  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

2Ti 2:12  If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Joh 8:36  If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Mat 20:23  And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

Heb 2:17  Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 

It behooved Christ not just to be born into the flesh “to be made like unto his brethren” but to be connected to the physical seed of Abraham for those who would one day identify with what the spiritual significance of being “made like unto his brethren” means (1Co 10:11). It was critical that Christ have all the same pulls of the flesh, being tempted in all diverse manner yet without sin for our sakes, but also critical that He experience the power of God, the spirit without measure (Joh 3:34), giving Him the ability to overcome all those pulls of the flesh demonstrating that the head of this spiritual lineage typified by Abraham could overcome and remain as a pure and unspotted lamb without blemish (Heb 4:15, 1Pe 1:9).

The “reconciliation for the sins of the people” is a statement connected not just to Abraham, but to Abraham’s seed and the type and shadow events which brought about the miraculous birth of Abraham’s son, Isaac (Gen 17:17). Each patriarch has his counterpart in the flesh as well to remind us that we will have to struggle against the powers and principalities over which God will give us power to prevail and overcome through Christ. The reconciliation process takes time, and it is a matter of supernaturally overcoming what we could never overcome except for the grace and faith God gives us through Christ.

Starting with Abraham and Lot [Abraham was a type of Christ who listened to God (Gen 22:2) whereas Lot went where his passions drove him (Gen 13:8-10)].

Isaac was the son of promise (Gal 4:28) as opposed to Ishmael whom Abraham lamented for not being able to “live before thee” (Gen 17:18). Isaac was presented a living sacrifice by his father, typifying our being dragged to Christ by our Father (Joh 6:44) who has made provision for us through Christ as the goat who is killed for all the sins of the world (Joh 1:29) within and without (Lev 16:7-10, Gen 22:13).

Jacob represents the body of Christ that perseveres and overcomes the flesh represented by Esau. The daily reward for not following our fleshly passions as we daily mortify the deeds of our flesh (Rom 8:13) is what it means to strive for the mark of the prize of the high calling in Christ (Php 3:14). If we are granted the power to continue to overcome and forget what is behind us (Php 3:13, Luk 17:32), we will be partakers of those promises as typified by Jacob’s life. His name means “to follow, to be behind, to supplant, circumvent, assail, overreach”. Jacob’s new name was Israel, as we are the Israel of God (Gal 6:16), and Israel means “God prevails”^H3478 (Gen 32:28).

Abraham and Lot, Isaac and Ishmael (Gal 4:28), and Jacob and Esau (Gen 32:22-31, Gen 28:13-14) all serve to remind the body of Christ there is a process of spiritual completion unfolding in the lives of God’s children who are joint-heirs with Christ. The inheritance in type which was promised unto Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is something that can only be inherited through a lifetime of overcoming and enduring until the end through Christ, the author and finisher of our faith (Rom 8:17-19, Act 14:22). To “make reconciliation for the sins of the people” will require a reconciliation process that will be administered by those who have first trusted God and suffered in this life (Eph 1:12) so we can rule in the next (2Ti 2:12).

Rom 8:17  And if children [spiritual children of Abraham typifying those who have God’s spirit within them (Rom 8:6-9)], then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Rom 8:18  For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Rom 8:19  For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Heb 2:18  For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. 

We need to ask ourselves again, “What good will any or all of this knowledge be to us if we don’t give the more earnest heed today?” Therefore “we ought to give the more earnest heed” means we ought to identify with Christ’s suffering, filling up what is behind of His afflictions for His body’s sake, the church, and not be surprised concerning the fiery trial which is to try us as though some strange thing happened to us (Col 1:24, 1Pe 4:12).

What a humbling and glorious thought all at the same time, to consider that God can and will strengthen, stablish and settle those He has called in this age to experience that humbling event under His mighty hand so that we can be exalted in due time! It is through the struggles, the process we have discussed, that we will be established in the Lord.

1Pe 5:6  Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

2Th 2:16  Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
2Th 2:17  Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

2Th 3:3  But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

Jas 5:8  Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

1Pe 5:10  But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

We are humbled to know that we are as He is in this world (1Jn 4:17), and as such, these words in the book of Hebrews should apply just as much to the body of Christ as it did to Christ when He was in the flesh: “For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted“. God is the one who is directing all the growth in the body of Christ (1Co 3:6), like the young child of twelve years old (Luk 2:40-42) who walked into the temple and was being established of His Father. So the body of Christ is also being established in the temple, being strengthened and settled so we can be the foundational government God will build upon Christ (Mat 16:18), a government that will know no end to the peace and increase that has been promised (Isa 9:6).

Luk 2:40  And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. [2Pe 3:18]
Luk 2:41  Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
Luk 2:42  And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.

Mat 16:18  And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7  Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

If you have a second, could you give me quick thoughts on 1Co 9 (the chapter)?

Thanks,

M____

Hi M___

Your question is, in essence, should we have career ministers?

No one denies that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple, and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar (1Co 9:13).

This scripture in no way conflicts with Gal 2:20 – I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me – or 1Co 15:31 – I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. Being “crucified with Christ” and “dying daily” has come to mean driving a Rolls Royce, dressing in silk suits, and living in mansions worth millions of dollars to many of today’s popular ministers.

If indeed (2Ti 3:16) All scripture [ is] given by inspiration of God, and [ is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, then these verses in I Samuel should speak for themselves.

1Sa 2:12 Now the sons of Eli were sons of Belial; they knew not the LORD.
1Sa 2:13 And the priests’ custom with the people was, that, when any man offered sacrifice, the priest’s servant came, while the flesh was in seething, with a fleshhook of three teeth in his hand;
1Sa 2:14 And he struck it into the pan, or kettle, or caldron, or pot; all that the fleshhook brought up the priest took for himself. So they did in Shiloh unto all the Israelites that came thither.
1Sa 2:15 Also before they burnt the fat, the priest’s servant came, and said to the man that sacrificed, Give flesh to roast for the priest; for he will not have sodden flesh of thee, but raw.
1Sa 2:16 And if any man said unto him, Let them not fail to burn the fat presently, and then take as much as thy soul desireth; then he would answer him, Nay; but thou shalt give it me now: and if not, I will take it by force. 1Sa 2:17 Wherefore the sin of the young men was very great before the LORD: for men abhorred the offering of the LORD.

It is obvious that the day by day needs of the priests were to be met by the work of the altar. It is equally obvious that those working at the altar have very little regard for the Lord’s claim on the fat.

Lev 3:16 And the priest shall burn them upon the altar: it is the food of the offering made by fire for a sweet savour: all the fat is the LORD’S.
Lev 7:23 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Ye shall eat no manner of fat, of ox, or of sheep, or of goat.
Lev 7:24 And the fat of the beast that dieth of itself, and the fat of that which is torn with beasts, may be used in any other use: but ye shall in no wise eat of it.

Now these things became types of us (1Co 10:6 – Concordant Literal Version).

But God has it all in hand, and it will all come to an end and be replaced with the “manifestation of the sons of God.”

Zec 11:3 There is a voice of the howling of the shepherds; for their glory is spoiled: a voice of the roaring of young lions; for the pride of Jordan is spoiled.
Zec 11:4 Thus saith the LORD my God; Feed the flock of the slaughter;
Zec 11:5 Whose possessors slay them, and hold themselves not guilty: and they that sell them say, Blessed be the LORD; for I am rich: and their own shepherds pity them not.

To summarize, the scriptures allow for ministers to “live of the gospel.” Contrary to what many ministers today think, it does not say, ‘live lavishly of the gospel.’ “Living of the gospel” is scriptural however. Paul tells us that it is not the ideal though. Here is the ‘ideal:’

Act 20:33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel.
Act 20:34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
Act 20:35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

This is the ideal given us by the apostle Paul. I don’t believe it will ever be very popular.

I hope this is of some help.

Mike

Thank you again for answering my emails. I am not able to get past the flesh of Christ not to have sinned. In one of your responses to the emails that were sent to you by others, you kind of dismissed the notion of immaculate birth. I cannot get the wording of scriptures right, but Paul mentioned something to the effect that as Christ was, so we are in this world. Now if God’s wrath abides in us as long as we live because we were conceived in sin, and Jesus was also born of a woman, are you trying to tell me that in Jesus’s case there was a different set of rules?

Thank you again.
God bless,
N____

Hi N____,
Thank you for your question.
You ask:

I cannot get the wording of scriptures right, but Paul mentioned something to the effect that as Christ was, so we are in this world. Now if God’s wrath abides in us as long as we live because we were conceived in sin, and Jesus was also born of a woman, are you trying to tell me that in Jesus’s case there were different set of rules?”

No, I am telling you that the rules are not different and that God did pour out his wrath on the flesh of our Lord:

Isa 54:7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
Isa 54:8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.

To deny that this is Christ being spoken of here in Isa 54, is to deny that this is Christ being spoken of here in Hos 11:

Hos 11:1 When Israel [ was] a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Hos 11:2 As they called them, so they went from them: they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense to graven images.

Did Christ burn incense to Baalim? Of course not, and yet He is called God’s Son, and this verse is quoted by the holy spirit in the New Testament as proof of Christ’s Messiahship:

Mat 2:13 And when they [ the wise men, verse one] were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
Mat 2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Why would this verse apply to Christ but Isa 54:7-8 not refer to God forsaking Christ for a moment on the cross as Christ Himself declares happened:

Mat 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

It is argued by some who are devoid of spiritual understanding and who cannot recognize the voice of the True Shepherd, that Isa 54:7-8 refers to Israel and not to Christ, because it is reasoned, ‘God would never pour out His wrath on His spotless Son’. Those who have been granted eyes and ears which can see and hear spiritual things know that “All things come alike to all, and there is one event to all”, and they know that “As Christ is, so are we in this world”.

Ecc 9:2 All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to him that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, so is the sinner; and he that sweareth, as [ he] that feareth an oath.
1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

Does the mean that you and I were conceived of a natural woman but without a natural Father, as was our Lord? What an absurd question! Of course it does not mean any such thing, and yet it is true that “All things come alike to all, and as He is, so are we in this world”.
What these words do not say is that Christ was “the Son of Man” via His mother, and He was the Son of God via His conception by the holy spirit as His Father from His mother’s womb. What this means is that Christ, through his mother, was the son of Adam, and Luk 3 considers that point so important that it traces Christ’s lineage all the way back to Adam. There is much already written on this subject on iswasandwillbe. com, and I will not rewrite it all here, but I will remind you that Hebrew 2 and 4 tell us plainly that Christ’s flesh was “the same flesh and blood” as that of Abraham and King David and that Christ is the son of both of those men.

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on [ him the nature of] angels; but he took on [ him] the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Christ is “the seed of Abraham”. Let’s not be forked tongued as the Adversary and say ‘Yes, Christ is the seed of Abraham, but Abraham is not really Christ’s father because Christ’s Father was God.’ We all have two fathers by way of our two parents, and Christ was both Abaraham’s and King David’s seed by His mother Mary, and it was through Mary that Christ was the Son of Adam. Any attempt to deny Christ’s humanity through and of the many forms of an “immaculate conception”, is the spirit of antichrist, and that is what the scriptures teach.

1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the [“same”] flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

A Jesus who did not have the same flesh and blood with the same human desires of all who are in Adam, is a plastic Jesus who cannot identify with the trials we have endured and who therefore is not qualified to be our high priest and Savior, and the scriptures declare this truth:

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Am I telling you that Christ never sinned? No, I am not, it is the scriptures that say that! But it is also the scriptures which declare that Christ was “made sin… made of the same… sinful flesh and blood” that you and I are made of. This is clearly understood by any who take the time to study and see why ancient Israel was given both a “sin offering” and another offering called a “trespass offering”. Read those studies on the offerings on iswasandwillbe. com. The sin offering is what Christ is.

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him [ to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The words ‘to be’ are not in the Greek. The Greek reads ” He made Him sin, who knew no sin…” How could Christ be our sin offering if He had not come in “sinful flesh and blood”? How could He be “made sin” if He had not been “shapen in iniquity and conceived in sin”? How could Christ be our savior if His flesh and blood were different from ours, as the immaculate conception crowd teaches?
But Christ was “the same flesh and blood… shapen in iniquity, and conceived in sin, and marred in the hand of the Potter”, by virtue of being of “made of a woman, made under the law”. Every one of those verses is saying the same thing, They are all saying that we are all “made sin” as our savior was “made sin”.

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him [ to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make [ it].
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

What does “under the law mean”? Here is what that means. It is spelled out in the previous chapter, and it means “made sin”.

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith [“of Jesus”] came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

So Christ stepped into the death realm when He entered the Adamic womb of His Adamic mother, and all who deny that “are that spirit of antichrist which you have heard should come and is already in the world” (1Jn 2:2-3).

You ask:

Are you trying to tell me that in Jesus’s case there was a different set of rules?”

No, I am not. It is the immaculate conception crowd who is telling you that. What I am telling you is that Christ was sinful flesh, just like you and me, and yet He never trespassed, which means He never transgressed or gave in to the temptations He endured.
Notice how James says we come to sin:

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

So “Christ was in all points tempted like as we are” but He never permitted “lust to conceive, and bring forth sin.”
I hope this helps you to see why God gave Israel two separate offerings. One was a sin offering for what we are by virtue of being born of a woman, shaped in iniquity and conceived in sin. The other is a trespass offering for what we do in these bodies which are shapen in iniquity and conceived in sin.
The rules are the same for all men, but our Head did not sin, whereas we all do. But being a spotless lamb does not change the fact that even a spotless lamb is still shaped in iniquity and conceived in sin, made of a woman, made under the law, and even the flesh of a spotless Lamb cannot inherit the kingdom of God, but must be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, as was the risen body of our Lord.

Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

I hope you find this all edifying.
Your brother in Christ,
Mike

Dear Mike,

I came across your site by accident. That is to say, I was looking up information about “Nicolaitins” and wound up spending hours pouring over your most insightful articles.

Help me out if you will. I left the church in which I grew up. I left my sisters and my brother, my mother and the rest of my family that attended “the church.” My father was a primitive baptist minister, who died at the age of 44. I was 4.

I felt that the church had no answers for the questions that I had about life. They weren’t wrong as much as incomplete.

After I left, I fell into sin (did some pretty heinous stuff). I drank constantly, ran with sordid women, spent a lot of other people’s money to prop up my ego and acted like the worst heathen. I was quite sure God was done with me on a certain level; but on a deeper level, I felt his hand on me.

Of course, my suffering was brought about by choices I made. But (here’s the weird part) it seemed what I was experiencing was a result of having volunteered for some kind of “boot camp.” It all started to end when I wrecked my F250 Ford Powerstroke. There was no reason for me to have survived (I walked away unharmed) except through divine providence. In short: I lost everything materially I’d worked for. And to this day I have nothing of which I can boast. Yet, I feel that it is for a reason other than punishment. It’s more like “I don’t get to do things that other people get to do.” I don’t get to “enjoy” the sensual pleasures that others might. God doesn’t allow that for me.

Mike, I’ve always felt that God had a purpose for me. I have always been somewhat detached and alone from people, although I am a fairly well known person in my circles. There has always been a sense of aloneness. Is it possible that God has “chosen” (above and beyond being called) for his service?

I have given up all to know God on “His” own terms.

It has been a frightening experience, because I am operating outside any church authority. Am I suffering from some Jesus complex? Is this just another burst of my own ego? Is my experience of terminal uniqueness a figment of my grandiose self- importance?

Do you have a similar experience of grace? What now?

Everything you’ve said resonates on a deep level.

I’m 39 years old with 3 kids. I’m too old to pursue something if I am not sure that it is from the True and Living God.

I hope to hear from you soon.

In His service and for His glory,

D____

Hi D____,

Thank you for sharing your story with me. Not only is it possible that God has ‘chosen’ you to rule and reign with Him in that “blessed and holy” first resurrection, but if you are sincere when you say “I have given up all to know God on “His” own terms,” then you are certainly being blessed with the opportunity to “endure to the end.”

Yes, I and anyone God has chosen will always have a story that will exactly parallel yours. The details will always differ, but the purpose and outcome will always be the same; “whom the Lord loveth He Chastens and scourgeth EVERY son whom He receiveth.” There are no exceptions. The ‘tree of Life,’ Christ, is surrounded in every direction by a flaming sword, the Word of God, which flaming fiery sword will burn out any corruptible ‘wood, hay or stubble in our lives. So don’t concern yourself with whether or not this ” Is… just another burst of my own ego?” If there is even a hint of any such thing in you or me, it will be burnt completely out.

1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 1Co 3:15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Those who “suffer loss” miss out on the “blessed and holy” first resurrection and ruling in the kingdom of God. Nevertheless, they are saved “yet so as by [ the very same] fire” that tries “every man’s work.” In other words, the ‘fire’ of the lake of fire is the exact same fire as that we are right now being judged in.

1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men’s matters.
1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

That is what assures me that you are one of God’s chosen. You speak in a resigned way of your sufferings. Don’t fear to ‘go it alone’ without the church. The orthodox Christian church are the “many called” of Matthew.

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

I only wish that I had known at age 39 the things that are in ‘How To Scripturally Study The Scriptures.’

I hope to hear more from you again. In closing I will just repeat a verse from above just to prime you for your calling in Christ:

1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

Mike