Just How Christ-Centric Is Scripture?
To Mike Vinson and the other writers of IWWB,
I am currently listed in the registry of a Church of Christ. The reason I didn’t outright say I am a member of that church is because I don’t believe in a lot of its teachings anymore.
If you are not familiar with this church some of their main teachings are:
The worm Jacob in Isa 41:14 pertains to Mr. Manalo
The angel ascending from the east in Rev 7:2 also pertains to him.
They don’t believe in the trinity, but they also don’t believe in the divinity of Christ either.
My questions are:
1. Who really is the worm Jacob in Isa 41:14 and the angel in Rev 7:2?
2. What verses in the bible are incontrovertible proofs that Christ is God?
I pray to God that He continue to bless you as He uses you and your website for us to start seeing the Truths.
V____
Hi V____,
Thank you for your story and for your questions. I am happy that you are reading and receiving edification from the writings on iswasandwillbe. com.
Your questions are:
1. Who really is the worm Jacob in Isa 41:14 and the angel in Rev 7:2?
2. What verses in the bible are incontrovertible proofs that Christ is God?
In order to answer your first question you must know how to understand the prophecies of God’s Word.
Christ told His apostles:
Mar 4:13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?
There is a principle that is imparted only by God’s spirit, that gives the understanding of “all parables,” and allegories, examples and types.
I strongly suggest that you read our paper entitled How To Rightly Divide The Word Using A Principle Only The Apostles Understood.
Once you understand that principle, God’s word really begins to open up to you so that you can understand the scriptures. But receiving this principle is a work of the holy spirit only. It cannot be imparted by man:
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Christ Himself told Peter as much:
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
It was the ability to apply this principle, demonstrated in the way the Old Testament is quoted in the New Testament, which Christ imparted to His disciples in this verse:
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These [ meat and honey, mature and immature] are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things, must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Christ told us plainly that His “meat” was to do the will of His Father. He told us that He was our bread of life and He told us all that life was to know Him and His Father:
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
So simply stated, the principle Christ revealed to His disciples when He “opened their understanding that they might understand the scriptures,” is that anything written in the law or the prophets or the Psalms concerning the patriarchs or the prophets or the kings or the nation of Israel itself, is actually being spoken concerning Christ and His Christ. A few quick examples, which will never be understood by “the natural man” will serve to demonstrate this principle:
Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Hos 11:2 As they called them, so they went from them: they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense to graven images.
Here we have a prophecy concerning Israel’s deliverance from Egypt. It clearly states that as God was in the process of delivering Israel, and Israel was in the process of backsliding, making themselves a golden calf and “burning incense to graven images.” This is not a very flattering verse of scripture. It is rather a very shameful example, among many, of Israel’s weak and sinful nature. To the natural man this would seem to refer to anything in the world except Jesus Christ. But the holy spirit has seen fit to let us know that in its highest application, this prophecy is actually a reference to “the Christ.” It is actually a reference, according to the holy spirit, to Christ and those who are in Him:
Mat 2:14 When he [ Joseph, Mary’s husband] arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
How can this verse of scripture possibly be made to apply to Christ? It applies to Christ because it applies to Israel, and now through Christ, to the “new creature … the Israel of God:”
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
This principle applies to “every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.” And so we are told:
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
All who are “in Christ” are “called out of Egypt and are “yet carnal” wanting to return to Egypt. Christ, our head, could never be guilty of sin, and yet He to had to “come out of Egypt,” so as to “live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.”
In the very next verse in Mat 2, this principle is again demonstrated:
Mat 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
Mat 2:17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
Mat 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping [ for] her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.
Rama is not Bethlehem. Rama is a town which is about as far north and east of Jerusalem as Bethlehem is south and west of Jerusalem. And still the holy spirit, and any who “opens he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,” has no problem at all applying this prophecy to Christ and the events surrounding this period of His life. The Adversary will always attack and attempt to destroy all who are in “the Christ” soon after they are called into His service.
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Another verse that will serve to demonstrate that all scripture is truly Christ- centric is this:
Deu 21:22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
Deu 21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged [ is] accursed of God; ) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
Here is a verse of God’s world which is plainly speaking of the very worst of mankind, ” a man… worthy of death… hanged on a tree.” To whom do you suppose this verse refers?
According to the holy spirit we are once again talking about “the Christ” which includes both our perfect spotless Saviour and “His Christ.”
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Was Christ not cursed until he was hanged on a tree? Is that what we are being told? No, Christ was hung on a tree because He came “in the likeness of sinful flesh.”
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
The moment Christ entered Mary’s womb, he stepped into “the lowest part of the earth,” he stepped into “the valley of the shadow of death.”
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Psa 139:15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
Psa 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Christ would have been incapable of dying if He had not been “shapen in iniquity.” Was He born of the holy spirit from His mother’s womb? Yes, He was. But His mother was “of Adam” just as any of us are who have also been “born of the spirit.”
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Christ came in “the same… sinful flesh… as the children” (Heb 2:14). He came in this form so he could be crucified and die:
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Christ is now “both Lord and Christ.” It was Christ Himself who declared to his apostles:
Joh 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
This doctrine of ‘the Christ’ of Christ is a major key to understanding the fact that all scripture is, in truth, concerned with Christ and His Christ. Here is the Truth of this matter:
1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
I say Christ and “His Christ,” simply because those are the words of scripture. Anything that applies to Christ also applies to “His Christ… His body which is the church.” The one exception to this Truth, as with Christ and His Father, is Christ’s headship. The Father has given all He has to Christ. All but the power of the throne. Christ too, has given all He has to His body. All but the headship of the body. Christ did not suffer and die so the we could avoid suffering and dying. Christ suffered and died so that He could now fill up in our bodies that which is yet ‘behind of the sufferings of the Christ.’
(REV) Col 1:24 Now, am I rejoicing in the sufferings on your behalf, and am filling up the things that lack of the tribulations of the Christ, in my flesh, in behalf of his body, which is the assembly,
(EDT) Col 1:24 Now I rejoice in the sufferings on behalf of you, and I fill up the wants of the afflictions of the Anointed one in the flesh of me on behalf of the body of him, which is the congregation;
(KJV) Col 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church:
So when we read:
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. [ It really means ‘all things.’]
Here is one more verse which helps to demonstrate that the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms are all about Christ and His Christ:
Isa 54:6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
Isa 54:7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
Isa 54:8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
Isa 54:9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
Can Jesus Christ be “as a woman” and at the same time be the Son of God? Can you and I be both the bride of Christ and at the same time be sons of “the everlasting Father?” According to 1Co 11, and Eph 5 we are to be subject to Christ just as a wife submits to her husband and just as Christ submits Himself to His Father:
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Once again, what concerns Christ concerns His body, His bride, His church. And what concerns His body, bride, church, Israel, prophets, kings, etc, concerns Christ.
Here in Isa 54, in adjacent verses we are told “I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee,” and yet we are also told in these same few verses: “for a small moment have I forsaken thee, and in a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment.” To whom does this all refer?
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Once again those with eyes to see can indeed perceive that “the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms” are all about Christ.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
To what does it all add up? It all demonstrates that the revelation of Jesus Christ begins in verse one of Genesis:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning [ Hebrew – H7225 – reshiyth – firstfruit – Christ] God created the heaven and the earth.
H7225
ר×ש×ית
reÌ‚’shiÌ‚yth
ray- sheeth’
From the same as H7218; the first, in place, time, order or rank (specifically a firstfruit ): – beginning, chief (- est), first (- fruits, part, time), principal thing.
And the “revelation of Jesus Christ” continues on to Rev 22:21.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Rev 22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Our part in the things written in this book means that we must come to acknowledge that all that is in Adam is in us. Our part in the sayings of the prophecy of this book is the whole book. Just as all the evil things concerning Christ are as “His Christ,” made applicable to Him through our sins, so too, are all the sins of Adam made applicable to us, in all of us.
But it is also true that just as Christ was “delivered through our offenses and was raised through our justification,” so too, are we “accepted in the beloved.”
Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for [ Greek – dia – through] our offences, and was raised again for [ Greek – dia – through] our justification.
Eph 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
“As He is so are we in this world” is the Truth of God’s word (1Jn 4:17). So with all of this in mind, let us now look at the verses in question:
1. Who really is the worm Jacob in Isa 41:14 and the angel in Rev 7:2?
Let’s now read Isa 41:14:
Isa 41:14 Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.
Inasmuch as all the verses we have demonstrated above concerning Christ and His Christ, this verse is certainly no different. If the first Adam, typifies Christ, why would not Jacob do the same? Jacob was one of the ‘patriarchs.’ When the scriptures speak of the patriarchs they are speaking of Christ. This principle goes all the way back to Adam himself:
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure [ Greek – tupos – type] of him that was to come.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed , and heirs according to the promise.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise [“in Christ”].
I don’t write these things, I just point to them and quote them. Adam and all in Adam, “is the figure of Him that was to come.”
This “thou worm Jacob” is no exception to this rule. Look at the verses preceding this verse. They tell us of whom they speak:
Isa 41:8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
Isa 41:9 [ Thou] whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou [ art] my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away.
Isa 41:10 Fear thou not; for I [ am] with thee: be not dismayed; for I [ am] thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
Isa 41:11 Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.
Isa 41:12 Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, [ even] them that contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of nought.
Isa 41:13 For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee.
This verse, we are clearly told is speaking of “the seed of Abraham.”
Isa 41:8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
Is there anyone who can read these verses and fail to see that Jacob is Israel. And who is Israel today?
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed , and heirs according to the promise.
When a pastor takes verses which refer to “the Christ” and “His Christ,” the “Israel of God,” and he applies these verses to himself alone, then it is far more likely that you, if you are humble, and are aware that Christ intends to save all men, will be “Abraham’s seed,” ahead of such a pastor, who apparently thinks that he alone is the elect of God. Please understand that I have nothing personal against this man. I have never in my life even heard of this man until your e- mail.
Now let’s look at your next verse in question Rev 7:2. Could it be that this verse also is Christ- centric?
Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
One has no hope of ever understanding any verse of this prophecy if one do not first see the instructions at the beginning and the end of this book as to how to approach “the sayings of the prophecy of this book.” Here are those instructions for all with eyes to see and ears to hear:
Rev 1:3 Blessed [ is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Whatever this angel is, he is to be kept and observed and done within each of us. Is there another verse of scripture which bears this out? Yes there is, but let us first see how this admonition is repeated right at the end of this book:
Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed [ is] he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
Again, whoever is this angel, he must be “kept” and lived inwardly, in each of God’s elect.
Who is this angel? Who are all of these angels? What exactly is an ‘angel?’ Here is Strong’s definition of this Greek word translated ‘angel:’
G32
aggelos
ang’- el- os
From ἁγγεÌλλω aggelloÌ„ (probably derived from G71; compare G34; to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an “angel”; by implication a pastor: – angel, messenger.
So the word ‘angel’ simply means “a messenger.” We must discern from God’s word whether this messenger is a spirit or a man. Which is this messenger here in this 22nd chapter of Revelation? Let’s allow this angel, himself to tell us who he symbolizes. He tells all with ears to hear in the very next verse in chapter 22:
Rev 22:8 And I Joh saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
This ‘angel is but one of God’s symbolic 144, 000 elect, who must all “keep the sayings of the prophecy of this book,” from Gen 1:1 to Rev 22:21. We are told the exact same thing three chapters earlier.
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [ thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant , and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
This ‘angel here in chapter 19 is also “of your brothers who have the testimony of Jesus.”
Whether human messengers or spirit messengers, angels are but messengers of Christ and His Father. The angel of chapter 7 is no different. He is a messenger who is sent to judge God’s elect.” and we know to whom that office is given:
1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest Maters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
Again, remember, “As He is so are we in this world” (1Jn 4:17). Christ inheritance “is in His saints” and His saints’ “inheritance is in Christ.”
Eph 1:11 In whom [ Christ] also we have obtained an inheritance , being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
Christ’s inheritance is “in the saints.” The saints “have obtained and inheritance in Christ.”
Together they are called in scripture “the Christ.” In Act two Peter tells the Jews that they had crucified Jesus, who God had made “both Lord and Christ.” Then in Act four we find “the Christ” of Christ holed up behind locked doors praying this prayer:
Act 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
And then there is this verse:
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
And this:
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
So Ephesian one ends with these words:
Eph 1:21 [ Christ is] Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world [ Greek – age], but also in that [ age] which is to come:
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
This is already way too long. I hope you are given the eyes to see that everything from “Adam, who is a figure of Him that was to come (Rom 5:14), to a man worthy of death (Deu 21:21-22), to a woman who is forsaken and God turns his back on her (Isa 54:5-8), to all of us coming out of Egypt” (Hos 11:1-2), it is all the revelation of Jesus Christ. It was through this revelation that both Paul and John came to see and know Christ:
Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ .
1Pe 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and sign ified it by his angel unto his servant Joh:
I hope you can now see that “the revelation of Jesus Christ starts in Gen 1:1 and ends in Rev 22:21. I hope this helps you to see more clearly what Christ meant when He clearly stated:
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
I hope this helps you to better understand what “eat my body and drink my blood” means.
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Christ’s “body” and “this bread” are one and the same thing; both are His word, “every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God… [ all] the sayings of the prophecy of this book” (Rev 1:3 and Rev 22:6-8).
Your second question was concerning Christ being God. Christ is not the God who retains the power of the throne. Christ is God in the same sense that you and I are ‘gods.’ That is Christ’s own assessment:
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them god s, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
According to Christ, His claim to being God was no more than “He called them gods.” It is Christ Himself who tells us:
Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [ again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
And of course he also admits that He is the beginning of God’s creation:
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
I will quote just one more verse on this subject:
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and [ besides this “one God of whom are all things” there is
also] one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Like Joseph in Egypt, Christ has been given all that His father has, including God’s spirit, Christ has been given “a name that is above every name,” including the names ‘everlasting Father’ and ‘the Almighty.’ But just as Pharaoh retained the power of the throne:
Gen 41:38 And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find [ such a one] as this [ is], a man in whom the Spirit of God [ is]?
Gen 41:39 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath shewed thee all this, [ there is] none so discreet and wise as thou [ art]:
Gen 41:40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou .
Gen 41:41 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, See, I have set thee over all the land of Egypt.
Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
… so too, has the Father retained the power of the throne:
1Co 15:27 For he [ the Father] hath put all things under his feet [ Christ’s]. But when he [ the Father] saith all things are put under him [ Christ], it is manifest that he [ the Father ] is excepted, which did put all things under him [ Christ].
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him [ Christ], then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him [ the Father] that put all things under him [ Christ], that God may be all in all.
So much for the ‘Jesus only’ doctrine.
I would suggest that you read or reread our newly revised Is God A Trinity article on iswasandwillbe. com
I hope this answers your questions to your satisfaction. If not, please let me know.
Mike>
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- What is the Doctrine of Christ? (August 25, 2011)
- What Does Let Every Man be Fully Persuaded Mean? (May 13, 2011)
- What Does In The Beginning Mean? (February 24, 2012)
- What Christian Customs Are Not Lawful? (July 28, 2009)
- What Are The Commandments Of God? (September 19, 2012)
- What Are Biblical Symbols? (February 17, 2008)
- Was Christ Changing The Law? (April 20, 2005)
- To Know The Truth (July 21, 2008)
- Thinking Above What Is Written (September 19, 2007)
- They Went Out From Us (August 28, 2006)
- The Unpardonable Sin - 2 (June 26, 2007)
- The Treasure In The Field (June 17, 2007)
- The Rock On Which His Church Is Built (July 1, 2008)
- The Revelation Of Jesus Christ As The Christ (January 8, 2013)
- The Promises of God In Him (August 23, 2011)
- The Difference Between Agapao And Phileo (November 17, 2008)
- The Commandments Of God (May 16, 2005)
- Proper Pronunciation Of Yhwh (April 18, 2010)
- Preterism Falls Short of the Fullness of Christ (July 6, 2006)
- Preterism (July 6, 2006)
- Personal Savior As Scriptural (August 5, 2010)
- Our Relationship with Christ (October 20, 2006)
- My Thoughts Are Not Your Thoughts (October 16, 2008)
- Meaning of Samsons Hair Being Cut (October 20, 2006)
- Made Known by the Breaking of Bread (October 4, 2011)
- Levites and His Will and Our Hearts Desire (July 14, 2007)
- Kill Their Enemies (May 5, 2009)
- Just How Christ-Centric Is Scripture? (September 24, 2007)
- Is Scripture The Word of God? Part 2 (May 15, 2008)
- Is Scripture The Word of God? Part 1 (May 15, 2008)
- Is It Really Possible To "Be In One Spirit, With One Mind"? (December 8, 2010)
- Hebrews 7_8 And Tithing (October 12, 2010)
- Has the Truth Ever Died Out? (September 22, 2011)
- Going Back To Babylonish Church (May 11, 2010)
- Godly Repentance? (September 3, 2013)
- Doing Many Wonderful Works Versus Obeying God (September 19, 2010)
- Does Hebrews 7_8 Teach Tithing? (April 28, 2012)
- Does Heb 7:8 Teach Tithing? (January 23, 2006)
- Did Christ Keep The Sabbath? 2012_05 (May 19, 2012)
- Be Still (May 21, 2010)
- Apostles Converted At The Last Supper? (January 23, 2006)
- Addressing Rejection From Christians (April 13, 2004)
- Acts 5:1-42 The Angel of the Lord by Night Opened the Prison Doors (January 8, 2023)
- Abraham Rejoice to See Christ's Day? (December 5, 2011)
- Abiding in The Doctrine of Christ (May 11, 2008)