Job and God’s Wrath On Our Sins
Hi Mike,
Thank you for sharing what God has graced you with. Being skeptical, I constantly scrutinize the teaching I hear, and yours has been no exception! I think the major turning point for me, in which I began to receive your teaching with a little less scrutiny and a lot more joy, came when I heard your teaching on the spiritual meaning of Gen 1. You were commenting on the fowls that were created as being spiritual wickedness, demonic spirits, etc., which I thought sounded okay, but then you didn’t cover the very next thing God created, the great whales and explain what that meant spiritually. So I thought to myself, “See, his interpretation is not right.”
Well, the Lord wouldn’t let me get by with that. I was encouraged to do a word study on the Hebrew word for whale, and wouldn’t you know it, the word is used for not just whale but predominately DRAGON, spiritually Satan. Your teaching was right on! I was thankful for that. But the main reason I was writing though, was to see if you have done any study on the book of Job as it relates to Revelation and judgment beginning at the house of God! There are so many places that could be paralleled with Revelation and the plagues etc. to continue to see how the wrath of God is carried out in the life of a believer (per your own comments). Check out a few verses here that are among many.
Job 10:17 Thou renewest thy witnesses against me, and increasest thine indignation upon me; changes and war are against me. { witnesses: that is, plagues}(THAT WAS A NOTE IN MY COMPUTER BIBLE)
Job 16:12 I was at ease, but he hath broken me asunder: he hath also taken me by my neck, and shaken me to pieces, and set me up for his mark.
Job 6:4 For the arrows of the Almighty are within me, the poison whereof drinketh up my spirit: the terrors of God do set themselves in array against me.
Job 13:24 Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and holdest me for thine enemy?
As a matter of fact in arguing with you against the matter of God’s wrath, one has fulfilled in his body, Eliphaz, Zophar and Bildad, Job’s “comforters”. Let me know what you think. Once again, thank you for your ministry. Do you receive financial gifts at all?
I am in Christ Crucified with you,
N____
P. S. Is there any better Biblical example given in the Word than here in Job about the wrath of God against his own? I don’t think so!!
Hi N____,
Thank you for your comments and your observations in God’s Word.
I think you are right. No one in scripture more demonstrates whose sins receive God’s wrath any better than Job. I am amazed at how well Job demonstrates that God’s wrath is directed at the sin in the lives of His elect. I am grateful for the scriptures you have listed below to make this clear.
What you say of Job is true. Job typifies God’s elect. “All these things happened to [ Job] and they are written for our admonition” (1Co 10:11). Anyone who thinks otherwise would do well to read the next verse there in 1Co 10:
1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
As you say:
As a matter of fact in arguing with you against the matter of God’s wrath, one has fulfilled in his body, Eliphaz, Zophar and Bildad, Job’s ‘comforters’.
But let me be quick to add that I, too, have been Job’s ‘comforters’ and have believed and taught that God’s wrath is only on those who are perishing and never on His elect. While I have seen beyond that for some time now, it was not until my experience with those who do not belief God’s wrath comes on His elect, that I came to see the depth of these words:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
When one pays attention to all that is in all the parables which begin with the words “The kingdom of heaven is like unto…”, it becomes immediately obvious that these words are also deeply true:
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
According to Christ’s parables “the kingdom of heaven is likened unto” some very trying experiences and “much tribulations.”
It was King David, “a man after God’s own heart,” who took another man’s wife and killed that man to hide his sin. If we think this is for some other bad person and not for us, we have gotten nothing out of 1Co 10.
1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
God’s wrath is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness. Especially of His elect. Who else holds His truth?
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness.
Neither Job nor King David doubted that God’s wrath was upon their ungodliness. Neither do any who have experienced that wrath and who are not “holding Truth in unrighteousness.”
You ask:
Do you receive financial gifts at all?
The answer is that there are a few people who help us to do what we do. I am grateful for those who insist on doing so. If anyone insists on helping, we are grateful for that help.
But here is Paul’s attitude toward receiving help from others. May this always be my attitude also:
1Co 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
1Co 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
1Co 9:15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.
Apparently someone was accusing Paul of preaching for the money, so he did not give the Corinthians any excuse to accuse him by refusing help from them.
2Co 11:8 I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.
So while we accept help which is freely given, we do not ask for money. I hope I have answered your questions, and I hope you have been as edified by me as I have been by you.
Mike
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