Thank you again for answering my emails. I am not able to get past the flesh of Christ not to have sinned. In one of your responses to the emails that were sent to you by others, you kind of dismissed the notion of immaculate birth. I cannot get the wording of scriptures right, but Paul mentioned something to the effect that as Christ was, so we are in this world. Now if God’s wrath abides in us as long as we live because we were conceived in sin, and Jesus was also born of a woman, are you trying to tell me that in Jesus’s case there was a different set of rules?

Thank you again.
God bless,
N____

Hi N____,
Thank you for your question.
You ask:

I cannot get the wording of scriptures right, but Paul mentioned something to the effect that as Christ was, so we are in this world. Now if God’s wrath abides in us as long as we live because we were conceived in sin, and Jesus was also born of a woman, are you trying to tell me that in Jesus’s case there were different set of rules?”

No, I am telling you that the rules are not different and that God did pour out his wrath on the flesh of our Lord:

Isa 54:7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
Isa 54:8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.

To deny that this is Christ being spoken of here in Isa 54, is to deny that this is Christ being spoken of here in Hos 11:

Hos 11:1 When Israel [ was] a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Hos 11:2 As they called them, so they went from them: they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense to graven images.

Did Christ burn incense to Baalim? Of course not, and yet He is called God’s Son, and this verse is quoted by the holy spirit in the New Testament as proof of Christ’s Messiahship:

Mat 2:13 And when they [ the wise men, verse one] were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
Mat 2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Why would this verse apply to Christ but Isa 54:7-8 not refer to God forsaking Christ for a moment on the cross as Christ Himself declares happened:

Mat 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

It is argued by some who are devoid of spiritual understanding and who cannot recognize the voice of the True Shepherd, that Isa 54:7-8 refers to Israel and not to Christ, because it is reasoned, ‘God would never pour out His wrath on His spotless Son’. Those who have been granted eyes and ears which can see and hear spiritual things know that “All things come alike to all, and there is one event to all”, and they know that “As Christ is, so are we in this world”.

Ecc 9:2 All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to him that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, so is the sinner; and he that sweareth, as [ he] that feareth an oath.
1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

Does the mean that you and I were conceived of a natural woman but without a natural Father, as was our Lord? What an absurd question! Of course it does not mean any such thing, and yet it is true that “All things come alike to all, and as He is, so are we in this world”.
What these words do not say is that Christ was “the Son of Man” via His mother, and He was the Son of God via His conception by the holy spirit as His Father from His mother’s womb. What this means is that Christ, through his mother, was the son of Adam, and Luk 3 considers that point so important that it traces Christ’s lineage all the way back to Adam. There is much already written on this subject on iswasandwillbe. com, and I will not rewrite it all here, but I will remind you that Hebrew 2 and 4 tell us plainly that Christ’s flesh was “the same flesh and blood” as that of Abraham and King David and that Christ is the son of both of those men.

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on [ him the nature of] angels; but he took on [ him] the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Christ is “the seed of Abraham”. Let’s not be forked tongued as the Adversary and say ‘Yes, Christ is the seed of Abraham, but Abraham is not really Christ’s father because Christ’s Father was God.’ We all have two fathers by way of our two parents, and Christ was both Abaraham’s and King David’s seed by His mother Mary, and it was through Mary that Christ was the Son of Adam. Any attempt to deny Christ’s humanity through and of the many forms of an “immaculate conception”, is the spirit of antichrist, and that is what the scriptures teach.

1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the [“same”] flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

A Jesus who did not have the same flesh and blood with the same human desires of all who are in Adam, is a plastic Jesus who cannot identify with the trials we have endured and who therefore is not qualified to be our high priest and Savior, and the scriptures declare this truth:

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Am I telling you that Christ never sinned? No, I am not, it is the scriptures that say that! But it is also the scriptures which declare that Christ was “made sin… made of the same… sinful flesh and blood” that you and I are made of. This is clearly understood by any who take the time to study and see why ancient Israel was given both a “sin offering” and another offering called a “trespass offering”. Read those studies on the offerings on iswasandwillbe. com. The sin offering is what Christ is.

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him [ to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The words ‘to be’ are not in the Greek. The Greek reads ” He made Him sin, who knew no sin…” How could Christ be our sin offering if He had not come in “sinful flesh and blood”? How could He be “made sin” if He had not been “shapen in iniquity and conceived in sin”? How could Christ be our savior if His flesh and blood were different from ours, as the immaculate conception crowd teaches?
But Christ was “the same flesh and blood… shapen in iniquity, and conceived in sin, and marred in the hand of the Potter”, by virtue of being of “made of a woman, made under the law”. Every one of those verses is saying the same thing, They are all saying that we are all “made sin” as our savior was “made sin”.

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him [ to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make [ it].
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

What does “under the law mean”? Here is what that means. It is spelled out in the previous chapter, and it means “made sin”.

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith [“of Jesus”] came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

So Christ stepped into the death realm when He entered the Adamic womb of His Adamic mother, and all who deny that “are that spirit of antichrist which you have heard should come and is already in the world” (1Jn 2:2-3).

You ask:

Are you trying to tell me that in Jesus’s case there was a different set of rules?”

No, I am not. It is the immaculate conception crowd who is telling you that. What I am telling you is that Christ was sinful flesh, just like you and me, and yet He never trespassed, which means He never transgressed or gave in to the temptations He endured.
Notice how James says we come to sin:

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

So “Christ was in all points tempted like as we are” but He never permitted “lust to conceive, and bring forth sin.”
I hope this helps you to see why God gave Israel two separate offerings. One was a sin offering for what we are by virtue of being born of a woman, shaped in iniquity and conceived in sin. The other is a trespass offering for what we do in these bodies which are shapen in iniquity and conceived in sin.
The rules are the same for all men, but our Head did not sin, whereas we all do. But being a spotless lamb does not change the fact that even a spotless lamb is still shaped in iniquity and conceived in sin, made of a woman, made under the law, and even the flesh of a spotless Lamb cannot inherit the kingdom of God, but must be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, as was the risen body of our Lord.

Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

I hope you find this all edifying.
Your brother in Christ,
Mike