Hi Mike,

I came across a passage in Psalms that bears some interesting implications.

Psa 97:3 A fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about.
Psa 97:4 His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw, and trembled.
Psa 97:5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the LORD, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.
Psa 97:6 The heavens declare his righteousness, and all the people see his glory.
Psa 97:7 Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols: worship him, all ye gods.
Psa 97:8 Zion heard, and was glad; and the daughters of Judah rejoiced because of thy judgments [ not out of revenge or hate], O LORD.

Any similarities here to the corrective judgment of the lake of fire? I think so. What say you?

P. S. – Is there any significance to “daughters of Judah?” (Psa 48:11) Let mount Zion rejoice, let the daughters of Judah be glad, because of thy judgments.)

Hi P__,

I say yes, these verses are identical to the corrective judgments in the lake of fire. Since it says all the people see his glory you could make a case for this being a scripture about the lake of fire.

2Co 5:14) For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

It is only in this lake of fire that “the daughters of Judah [ will] be [ made] glad.” Jerusalem is in Judah. The ‘daughters of Judah’ includes much more than Jerusalem. The time of their salvation is given in Ezekiel 16:55. Read it for yourself.

I find verse four to be instructive.

Psa 97:4) His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw, and trembled.

As Andrew Jukes points out in ‘Types In Genesis,’ the ‘earth’ is typical of the called but not chosen Adam… the son of God.

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

The ‘earth is elevated above the ‘sea,’ which sea, in type represents the uncalled masses of humanity.

Isa 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
Psa 77:19 Thy way is in the sea, and thy path in the great waters.

And of course…:

Rev 13:1) And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

In the ‘language of types and shadows,’ higher ground is typical of being closer to God. Mount Zion is even higher than the temple mount. It was the highest point in the area of Jerusalem.

2Sa 5:7 But David took the stronghold of Zion, which is the city of David.

Zion is the home of the king.

I believe that it is instructive that the ark (Christ) was in Zion (the elect of God) before it was in Jerusalem.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The ark was later placed in the temple of God, another type of the chosen. But the city represents the called but not chosen.

Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

The ‘manchild,’ (the ‘king’ in Zion) is “caught up to the throne of God,” while the ‘woman,’ the church which the manchild comes ‘out of,’ has to go “into the wilderness,” be ‘trodden under the feet of the Gentiles 42 months’ or 3 1/2 years. Where is the whore found?

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns

If this is not the case, why wasn’t the woman “caught up unto God and to His throne” to also “rule the nations with a rod of iron?.”

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the “woman” of Rev 12 the same as the great whore of Rev 17? Where do those who are to rule the nations with Christ come from? They come from the seven churches who have ‘lost their first love,’ ‘say they are Jews, but are the synagogue of Satan,’ ‘dwell where Satan’s seat is,’ ‘have the doctrine of Balaam and the doctrine of the Nicolaitans,’ ‘allow that woman Jezebel to teach,’ ‘knows the depths of Satan,’ ‘sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:’

Here is what ‘the woman’ does:

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Look at the struggle between ‘the beast’ and ‘the woman’ today. The beast has removed the ten commandments from the courthouses all across our nation. They were never in the courthouses of most of the world. The beast sanctions same sex marriages. The woman may resist, but she is so far from the temple itself, those in whom Christ truly dwells, that the beast sees her for the money- hungry hypocrite all whores are. Eventually the beast will turn on the harlot, and Jer 4:30 tells us:

Jer 4:30 When thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers [ The 10 horns of the beast, Rev 17:16-17] will despise thee, they will seek thy life.
Jer 4:31 For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the daughter of Zion, that bewaileth herself, that spreadeth her hands, saying, Woe is me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers.

During all this time “her first child “has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heaven… in Christ Jesus: (Eph 2:6). Or as in Rev 12: her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

So where does “her first child” come from?

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

You see, it is Eve, who was the first mother of the “seed of the woman” (Abel). But she was also the mother of “all living.” So she was also the mother of ‘the seed of the serpent’ (Cain – Gen 3:15) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it [ the seed of the woman] shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. So the woman represents the “many called,” and the “manchild” represents the “few chosen,” who are raised… up together, and made [ to] sit together in heavenly [ places] in Christ Jesus:

“The remnant of her seed”…

Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ…

… is referring back to the manchild who, though in spirit her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne, is still witnessing for Christ with words of “fire” (Jer 5:14 and Rev 11:5) until they shall have finished their testimony, [ and then] “the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them (Rev 11:7). The period of time spent by the two witnesses giving their testimony is exactly the same time spent ‘in the wilderness,’ by the ‘woman’ who ‘brought forth the manchild.’

What Christians fail to remember is that all the symbols in the book of Revelation take their force and meaning from the meaning given to them in the old covenant scriptures. What did the ‘woman in the wilderness’ (Israel, the wife of Jehovah) do while she was ‘in the wilderness?’

Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Hos 11:2 As they called them, so they went from them: they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense to graven images.
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

The ‘woman’ became ‘the harlot.’ And it happened “as they [ Moses and Aaron] called them.” So yes, it was the ‘dragon’ who sought, and will seek, to kill the ‘manchild.’ But he will do so only at the urging of the ‘woman,’ the great harlot, who rides upon the beast. The ‘woman’ who brings forth the ‘manchild’ flees to the ‘wilderness’ and is there in the wilderness exactly the same period of time that the two witnesses take to deliver their testimony.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

So exactly where are “My witnesses” when they are slain? Where else but right there in the great whore?

Rev 11:8 “And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city[ Babylon] which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.”

Who does ‘that great city represent? (Isa 1:21) How is the faithful city [ Jerusalem- representing, in type, the people of God of all ages] become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it [ she even brought forth the manchild]; but now murderers.