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What this question really boils down to is the same question Paul poses in Rom 9, where he reveals to us that God hated Esau before he was even born and that Pharaoh was raised up by God for the very purpose of hardening Pharaoh’s heart so that Pharaoh would not let Israel go before God was given the opportunity of displaying His wrath and His power upon Pharaoh and his armies.

Rom 9:11  (For [ the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Rom 9:12  It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13  As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

The only natural response to being told such a truth is what you asked of me, “Why are we to experience what God says to stay away from?” That is the same as asking ‘Why does God have Esau, Pharaoh or you or me give account for what He has caused us to do? The holy spirit in the apostle Paul anticipated such a response and answers that response in a very blunt manner:

Rom 9:14  What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15  For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16  So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17  For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18  Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [ have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19  Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20  Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21  Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22  What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23  And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:24  Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

This is not a statement of Pharaoh versus Israel as it seems to read. This is a statement concerning flesh versus spirit, which cannot be realized except through the death of the clay vessel of dishonor. “The elder shall serve the younger” is Bible- speak for the flesh shall one day serve the spirit within each and every one of us.

So there is a very basic mistake in orthodox Christian theology which teaches that God does not create evil, while the scriptures teach the exact opposite.

Isa 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

God creates evil for the purpose of destroying all evil and thereby producing salvation from all evil. So God creates evil for the purpose of the destruction of all evil. We just naturally do not like God’s ways, but He is not asking for our permission to do what He is doing.

Rom 9:20  Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21  Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Gen 45:4  And Joseph said unto his brethren, Come near to me, I pray you. And they came near. And he said, I am Joseph your brother, whom ye sold into Egypt.
Gen 45:5  Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither: for God did send me before you to preserve life.
Gen 45:6  For these two years [ hath] the famine [ been] in the land: and yet [ there are] five years, in the which [ there shall] neither [ be] earing nor harvest.
Gen 45:7  And God sent me before you to preserve you a posterity in the earth, and to save your lives by a great deliverance.
Gen 45:8  So now it was not you that sent me hither, but God: and he hath made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt.

God has not called any of us to argue with any who cannot receive this Truth. We are called only to confirm these Truths to those who God drags to Himself and gives the gift of faith to accept “what is written.” We are not add to or take away from “what is written.”

1Co 4:6  And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think [ of men] above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

No, it does not. Does “thou shalt not kill” mean you have to commit physical murder? No, it does not. You have already done so spiritually by simply “being born of a woman… being in Adam.”

1Jn 3:15  Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

We are all guilty of hating our brother, and are therefore spiritually guilty of murder. We are all born “in Adam.”

Does “Thou shalt not commit adultery” means that you must be physically guilty of adultery? Again the answer is no, it does not.

The spiritual definition of adultery is defined as leaving Christ for “another Jesus”, and we are all guilty of that.

Mat 5:28  But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

According to the word of God, it is “in the heart” of every man or woman who has ever been born, to depart from Christ and God and to serve the beast within. In so doing we are all guilty of “lying with a beast.”

1Jn 2:16  For all that is in the worl d, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Just like our mother Eve, who came out of our Father Adam, we experience “the lust of the flesh and eyes”. We are all guilty of “the pride of life”, and in those three sins we are guilty of “all that is in the world” including lying with the beast within instead of being faithful to our spiritual husband, Christ.

Mat 10:37  He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38  And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:39  He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

“Our life” which we must first lose, is the already dying life of the beast within. When we give up that life, we find true life in Christ.

Rom 7:24  O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25  I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

I hope this helps you to see a little more of “the things of the spirit,” and that one doesn’t have do be outwardly guilty of any particular sin, in order to realize that  we are all guilty of all the sins of all men from the foundation of the world in spirit:

Luk 11:49  Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
Luk 11:50  That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
Luk 11:51  From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

It is in “the wisdom of God” that “we all do what God tells us not to do.” God knew before the foundation of the world that there would be no need for a savior unless there were first slaves to sin and death.

“This generation” was not the generation of the days Christ spent on this earth in the flesh. “This generation” is the generation that believes on Christ in every generation.

Psa 71:18  Now also when I am old and grayheaded, O God, forsake me not; until I have shewed thy strength unto this generation, and thy power to every one that is to come.

Mat 23:36  Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Mat 24:34  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

If you, like all of the orthodox Christian world, believe that these verses in Luke 11 and Matthew are not words for you, then you have said in your heart, ‘I certainly am not going to live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God,’ and in so doing you have “taken away from the sayings of the prophecy of this book,” and in so doing your part is in this book will be taken away until the lake of fire. At that time “you will indeed drink.”

Mat 4:4  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Jer 25:28  And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ye shall certainly drink.

“Drinking of the cup” in Jeremiah’s hand is doing what God said not to do. It is acknowledging and giving an account of the fact that it was God who caused you and me to sell Joseph into slavery in Egypt, for twenty pieces of silver, and it was you and I who sold Christ to the Jews for thirty pieces of silver, and it is you and I who are guilty of “the blood of all the prophets from Abel to Zacharias.”

It is only those who can say with the apostle Paul, that they are “chief of sinners” and have lived by every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God, who will be qualified to rule and reign with Him over the kingdoms of this world, and to judge angels in the lake of fire.

1Co 6:1  Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
1Co 6:2  Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3  Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Christ in Matthew 7 is not teaching us to ignore the fruit of a tree. Instead He is teaching us to judge the sin in our own lives first, so that we will can then “see clearly to remove the mote from our brother’s eye.”

Mat 7:1  Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2  For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4  Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [ is] in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5  Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
Mat 7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16  Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [ can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

So much for those who cannot bring themselves to call a bearer of heresy a heretic. Those who cannot discern a wolf in sheep’s clothing are doomed to be devoured by that wolf, and those who insist on being “lukewarm” will be cut off from the mouth of God, as my friend Steve Crook, just today shared with me:

Rev 3:15  I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16  So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

“The mouth of God” is the Word of God. As Steve was explaining to me today, to be spued out of God’s mouth, is to be cut off from understanding and sharing with others the things of the spirit of His Words which are spirit.

Joh 6:63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

“Words… are spirit,” be they God’s doctrine or a false doctrine. But the only people who can see the things of the spirit are those to whom it is given:

1Co 2:12  Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15  But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16  For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

So much for those who teach that Christ taught us not to judge. We are judges, and judges judge all things.

I hope this has answered your questions about why we end up doing what God says do not do, and whether we must lie with a beast in order to “live by every word of God.”

If not, please let me know.

Your brother in Christ,


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