Dear Mike,

From the outstanding work you do and the explanations you give on this site I seem to understand and believe your various presentation of the Godhead (God the Father, and the Son). And for that, I thank God for giving us a person like yourself with such dedication.
What I can’t seem to understand or follow is the following: Who created the Godhead, or what gave rise to the Godhead or how did the Godhead (or God the Father) come about? I know God is Spirit. Does a Spirit not have a source that created or birthed it? Is this really beyond our human or carnal understanding. Would we ever know? Or are we saying nothing created the Godhead, It/ He just came about as we know It/ Him from the Scriptures? Obviously there is no benefit for me in knowing an answer to this question, as salvation does not depend on it.

Regards,
T____

Hi T____,
Thank you for your question. You ask:

Who created the Godhead, or what gave rise to the Godhead or how did the Godhead (or God the Father) come about? I know God is Spirit. Does a Spirit not have a source that created or birthed it?

The answer to your question is this:

Isa 45:5  I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isa 45:6  That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, t hat there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isa 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Twice God tells is that He alone is God and “there is none else.” He is all powerful, all knowing, and everywhere present, and “There is none else.”

Mat 28:18  And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me [ by God] in heaven and in earth.
1Jn 3:20  For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
Psa 139:7  Whither shall I go from thy Spirit? Or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
Psa 139:8  If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, thou art there.
Psa 139:9  If I take the wings of the morning, And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
Psa 139:10  Even there shall thy hand lead me, And thy right hand shall hold me.
Psa 139:11  If I say, Surely the darkness shall overwhelm me, And the light about me shall be night;
Psa 139:12  Even the darkness hideth not from thee, But the night shineth as the day: The darkness and the light are both alike to thee.
Psa 139:13  For thou didst form my inward parts: Thou didst cover me in my mother’s womb.
Psa 139:14  I will give thanks unto thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: Wonderful are thy works; And that my soul knoweth right well.
Psa 139:15  My frame was not hidden from thee, When I was made in secret, And curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
Psa 139:16  Thine eyes did see mine unformed substance; And in thy book they were all written, Even the days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was none of them.

Heaven, the grave (sheol), the sea, light and darkness; God is there and has created and sustains them all. That is why “The darkness and the light are both alike to thee.” It matters not how many times we see the words “choose ye this day,” those words do not deny that “this day” and all the choices we make “this day”, were already predestinated and “written in His book, Even the days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was none of them.”

Eph 1:11  In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

“All things,” including the most heinous crimes committed in all the cities of this earth, are being “worked after the counsel of His own will.”

Amo 3:6  Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Gen 45:4  And Joseph said unto his brethren, Come near to me, I pray you. And they came near. And he said, I am Joseph your brother, whom ye sold into Egypt.
Gen 45:5  Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither: for God did send me before you to preserve life.
Gen 45:6  For these two years [ hath] the famine [ been] in the land: and yet [ there are] five years, in the which [ there shall] neither [ be] earing nor harvest.
Gen 45:7  And God sent me before you to preserve you a posterity in the earth, and to save your lives by a great deliverance.
Gen 45:8  So now it was not you that sent me hither, but God: and he hath made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt.

Twice Joseph gives an accounting of his brothers actions against him.

Gen 45:4  And Joseph said unto his brethren, Come near to me, I pray you. And they came near. And he said, I am Joseph your brother, whom ye sold into Egypt.
Gen 45:5  Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither: for God did send me before you to preserve life.

But why does he say they did it? Joseph had no doubt why his brothers chose to sell him into Egypt. Joseph knew who had given that idea to His brothers. Joseph knew that it was God who “works all things after the counsel of His own will.”

Gen 45:8 (a)  So now it was not you that sent me hither, but God:

These verses in Gen 45, just as all the verses of all the rest of scripture which declare plainly that God “is working all things after the counsel of His own will,” seem both counterintuitive, and contradictory to the natural man. Because I so often point to them, I am accused of contradicting myself. But nevertheless, the Truth of the scriptures is that we are not even responsible for our sins, simply because “it was not you… but God,” that made you and I “wicked for the day of evil” in our lives.

Pro 16:4  The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Paul, who read and understood Joseph’s words in Gen 45, twice reiterates this very same Truth in Rom 7:

Rom 7:17  Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18  For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [ how] to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19  For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20  Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21  I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22  For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23  But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24  O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25  I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

We all want to do good, “When I would do good,” but evil is present within us all, so we “by nature,” do evil instead of good.

Eph 2:2  Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3  Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

So the scriptures teach that God is responsible for all things good and evil, because He is all powerful and is working all things in all cities and all nations “after the counsel of His own will,” and “there is none else” and “there is no one who can withstand Him” and His will even in “all the kingdoms of the heathen.”

2Ch 20:6  And said, O LORD God of our fathers, art not thou God in heaven? and rulest not thou over all the kingdoms of the heathen? and in thine hand is there not power and might, so that none is able to withstand thee?

Now if any of this is true, then the answer to your question is that God has no beginning and no end. He alone “and none other” is the Creator and sustainer of all things in heaven and in earth, good or evil, right or wrong, it is all being “worked after the counsel of His own will.”
In conclusion I will, just for the sake of argument, suggest that I might be able to tell you who created God and where God came from. What then would be your next logical question? The next logical question would be ‘Who created that God and where did He come from?’ So it would continue forever. But such questions are answered in scripture, and I hope this all helps you to see this, the plain answer to your question:

Isa 43:10  Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Your brother in Christ,
Mike