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Who Knows The Truth?

Posted March 11, 2006
Hi S____,

You ask who we are. Then you state:

I'll tell you who I am. I am a man who is careful to say not one word that is not backed up with dozens of scriptures. I go to great lengths not to say things that are not so. That is who I am.

You ask why you should listen to me. My answer is that you should listen to no man, including me. On the other hand, I will tell you that you should listen to Jesus Christ and put His words above the words of all men. Now if I happen to see the words of Christ that your minister just does not see, who then is it that is really "building a theology ?" Is it Mike Vinson, or is it your minister?

For example, I happen to have noticed  that the disciples asked Christ why He spoke to the multitudes who came to be taught of Him in parables. I happen to have noticed what Christ said in answer to that question:

Mat 13:10  And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11  He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given [to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God]
Mat 13:12  For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:14  And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15  For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

So you see, while your minister and every Sunday school teacher of "historical orthodox Christianity," will tell you that Christ spoke in parables to make His meaning clearer, Christ says that He spoke in parables "because it is not given to the multitudes who come to Him to understand the mysteries of the kingdom of God. Therefore I speak to them in parables: because they seeing see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand...lest they should be converted and I should heal them."

And so it is with everything on our site.

Who are we? We are faithful to God's Word; whereas the churches, with all of the good works with which you are so impressed, are faithful to the thousands of conflicting doctrines of "historical orthodox Christianity." I and all who read and see the things on this site have read and understand Revelation 10. We have all been given the eyes to see that Ezekiel 2 explains this chapter and tells us what is in that "little book" of Revelation 10. Who are we? We are those who are faithful to the words which are in that "little book." It is not my fault that what is in that "little book" is nothing but "lamentations and mournings and woe" for God's own church. We are simply faithful to the words of that book. Revelation 11 then tells us what happens to those who are faithful to the words in the 'little book.' Those who are faithful to the words in that little book are "killed by those who are in that "great city." What is "that great city?"

Rev 11:8  And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 17:18  And the [harlot] woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Isa 1:1  The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, [and] Hezekiah, kings of Judah.
Isa 1:2  Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.
Isa 1:3  The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.
Isa 1:4  Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.
Isa 1:21  How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.

Are there any words anywhere which better describe a church which tells you to kill your enemies all the while pedaling the Word of God? God's church is a harlot! It is He who tells us that this is true. "Judah and Jerusalem" are nothing more than symbols of God's church. God's church has "become an harlot!" And that Great Harlot tells herself :

Rev 3:17  Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; [Because they have all of these 'good works' which you confuse with the fruit of God's spirit] and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

We point out these truths without fear of losing our denominational jobs and homes. We can do so because we have "come out of her my people."

I hope this helps you to see who we are. The very fact that your ministers and teachers don't even know that Christ is not even trying to convert the multitudes who come to Him, should tell you that the parables are to this day doing what Christ at first intended them to do; to keep the multitudes who go to church every Sunday from "seeing and hearing the mysteries of the kingdom of God, "lest they should be converted and healed of their spiritual blindness" and come to see the purpose for the parables.

Who am I? We at iswasandwillbe.com are a very small number who are not afraid to point to the words of Christ and declare them to be Truth:

Mat 22:14  For many are called [and attend church every Sunday], but few are chosen [to come out of Babylon The Great The Mother Of all Of The Conflicting Harlots of "historical orthodox Christianity."

You ask: "Why should I want to listen to you over any mainstream preacher?"

Maybe because we are faithful to Christ and "His doctrine." We tell you to "Love thine enemies," which no "historical orthodox Christian" minister would ever even contemplate. Why should you listen to me over any mainstream minister? And what difference does it make if we remain faithful to the doctrine of Jesus Christ in the face of wholesale apostasy?

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: [But don't all of the churches agree that "Christ is come in the flesh?" Let's let John tell us what "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh means:]

2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. [Which Jesus? which doctrine?]

2Jo 1:9  Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jo 1:10  If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine [of Christ], receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jo 1:11  For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

1Jo 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ [with His doctrine] is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.[And has "waxed worse and worse" over the past 2000 years}
1Jo 4:4  Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the [church] world.
1Jo 4:5  They are of the [church] world: therefore speak they of the [church] world, and the [church] world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6  We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
1Jo 4:7  Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8  He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

You ask: "What are you actually doing for God and his kingdom?" Let me ask you, who is the 'we' and the 'us' of 1 John 4:6? It is imperative that you know who 'we' and 'us are because it is only those who "hear us" who are able to "know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error."

1Jo 4:6  We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Does this 'we' and 'us' include you? Does hearing what you are saying  give one the ability to "know the spirit of thruth and the spirit of error?" Are you  faithful to the "doctrine of Jesus Christ" in opposition to the entire "historical orthodox Christian church" which cerainly is not faithful to the "doctrine of Christ?"

I am not blaspheming the name of God by telling others that they should "love thine enemies" and in the same breath and with the same mouth they are telling them to kill their enemies. I am not blaspheming the name of God by saying "God is love," and with the same breath and with the same lips telling God's people that God Himself is, at this very moment, tormenting most of His creation in an eternal hell of literal fire.
If you cannot see why you should listen to Christ over all of the mainstream ministers of "historical orthodox Christianity," then you surely have not been given "eyes that see and ears that hear," for the differences are obvious and they are overwhelming.

Yes, you are so right "Jesus said, if theres no fruit [of the spirit, He did not say 'works'], then they are false."

I too, "Hope this doesn't offend"


Mike
Hi S____,

Your concern about anyone "having a corner on theology" is coming between you and God's Word. That should not even be a consideration. What you need to concern yourself with is what does God say. It is never helpful to try to pit God's Word against God's Word.

Rest assured of one thing, what Christ says in Matthew 13 does not contradict what He says to Peter or to anyone else.
 
As far as Christ telling Peter that He would build His church on "this Rock," let's take a closer look at that verse. I will cut and paste that verse from my e-sword with Strong's numbers:
Mat 16:18  And1161 I say also2504, 3004 unto thee,4671 That3754 thou4771 art1488 Peter4074, and2532 upon1909 this5026 rock4073 I will build3618 my3450 church;1577 and2532 the gates4439 of hell86 shall not3756 prevail against2729 it.846

There it is. Do you notice that the word for 'Peter' is not the same as the word for 'Rock?' And exactly what is the difference in the Greek? The Greek for Peter is petros. According to Strong's Greek dictionary, 'petros' means "a piece of rock." So Christ is telling Peter that Peter is but "a piece of rock." But who is it that Christ tells Peter He intends to build His church upon? Is the church of Christ really the Church of Peter? Let us let all men be liars and allow the Word of God to be the Truth. When we do this, who does the Word of God tell us is the foundation of Christ's church? Is it Peter that the church is built upon? What say the scriptures?

Eph 2:20  And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
And what so happens to be the Greek word used to describe this "Chief Cornerstone?" Is it the Greek word 'petros?'  Is it Peter? Again, what say the scriptures?
1Co 10:4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock [Strong's 4073- petra not petros] was Christ.
Let's look now at Strong's definition of the Greek word for this 'rock:' Here in Corinthians. It is the exact same Greek word we find in Mat 16:18: "Upon this rock 4073 I will build my church;" The Greek for 'rock'  in both verses is 'petra.'  Unlike 'petros,' meaning "a piece of rock," Petra means "a mass of Rock." In other words "that Rock was Christ:" Men tell us 'that Petra is Peter.' God's Word tells us "That Petra was Christ Himself." 

Now did Peter and the other apostles really attempt to "convert people ... in all of their epistles to the churches?" What does the One who is Truth have to say about this?
Joh 6:44  No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw [Greek- drag] him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Go to my site and type the word 'drag' into the google search engine. I have a letter that covers all eight entries of this word in the entire New Testament. You will find it a very revealing letter.

But does the great evangelist Paul agree with Jesus that Christ is intentionally blinding the masses and multitudes of Christianity from seeing and hearing the Truth?
Rom 11:8  (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
You say that this is talking of Israel, but it is also this same apostle who tells us that we are "the Israel of God." (Gal 6:15-16 and Eph 2:11-19). God's church is "the commonwealth of Israel," and "He is not a Jew which is one outwardly..." no matter how upset these verses make that 'great man of God' John Hagee.
Act 10:40  Him [Christ] God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
Act 10:41  Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
Act 10:42  And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God [to be] the Judge of quick and dead.
Act 10:43  To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
And who is it that believes on Him?
Joh 6:44  No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw [Greek- drag] him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
And what becomes of all the multitudes who come to hear His parables? What becomes of the multitudes to whom it was "not given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God?

They will go into God's purifying 'lake of fire,' to be "given mercy by those few God is now preparing to be their "saviors." Now you answer me, what do these verses of scripture mean?
Mat 22:10  So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
Mat 22:11  And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
Mat 22:12  And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
Mat 22:13  Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast [him] into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 22:14  For many are called, but few are chosen.
Now mind you, those who were "gathered from the highways" were 'gathered to replace the king's servants who were originally bidden:
Mat 22:3  And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
Who are those who were originally bidden? Here is what we are told of those who were originally bidden, but refused to come to the marriage supper:
Mat 22:2  The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
Mat 22:3  And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
Mat 22:4  Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
Mat 22:5  But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
Mat 22:6  And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
Mat 22:7  But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city
So it is God's own servants who refuse to come to the marriage supper and who "slay" those God sends to them. But even of those who do come to Christ we read this, right here in this same parable, which of course, is written so that the multitudes of Christians "cannot see:"
Mat 22:10  So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
Mat 22:11  And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: [This man did not have "the doctrine of Jesus Christ."]
Mat 22:12  And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
Mat 22:13  Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness [not understanding the "doctrine of Jesus Christ"]; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Do you think this singular 'man' represents the minority of those who came in from "the highways' to replace those who were originally bidden, but refused to come to the marriage supper? Is this the minority of Christianity? Is that the interpretation which Christ Himself puts upon this symbolic man in this parable, which is designed to blind the multitudes? Let us allow Christ to tell us who this man represents. Here are Christ's very next words:
Mat 22:14  For many are called [Greek-kletos-called], but few are chosen [Greek eklectos- Chosen out of those many called- Greek ek- out of- and Greek- kletos-called].
I don't write these things. All I do is to quote them.

Now what does this verse mean?
Rom 11:18  Boast not against the branches [Those who were originally bidden to the marriage supper]. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root Christ], but the root thee.
Rom 11:19  Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20  Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21  For if God spared not the natural branches [physical Israel], take heed lest he also spare not thee [spiritual Jews- Rom. 2:28-29].
Rom 11:22  Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness [and His doctrine-Joh 8:31  Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;]: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Has the "orthodox Christian church" "continued in His goodness? Or are they full of false and blasphemous doctrines? What does "many' mean? Is 'many' supposed to be taken as a synonym for the minority  of Christians?
Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Does Christ deny that these desperate "many" have indeed done "many wonderful works in His name?" No, He does not. Nevertheless, here is His answer to these "many" Christians:
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
And what is the very next thing Christ says about those who do have "community involvement, ministries that impact the city/nation/people in a positive way" and yet "Do not the things which I say? What does he say of all of these ministers who are indeed bringing millions to Christ and yet teach those in their charge to hate and to kill their enemies? Can you receive it? It is but the continuation of this very same thought here in Matthew seven, of "doing many wonderful works in Christ's name and yet never knowing Him:"
Mat 7:24  Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26  And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Mat 7:28  And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
Mat 7:29  For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
You are right, no man "has a corner on theology." Theology is everywhere, but Christ speaks with authority" because He does have a corner on the Truth:
Joh 1:17  For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
So like it or not, if we do not know the truth, we will be unable to "bring forth the fruit" you spoke of earlier:
Col 1:6  Which [the Truth of the Gospel] is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
You need to read Strong Delusion - Will God's Strong Delusion Deceive You?


"Jesus said, if theres no fruit, then they are false." Don't be like these "many" who "never knew Christ. They had confused 'good works,' with "doing the things that I say." Believe Christ. "Community involvement, ministries that impact the city/nation/people in a positive way" are not to be confused with "doing the things that I say." They are rather to be equated with "have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"

Answer my questions as I have yours. And then send them along to me with any new questions.

Mike

Hi S____,

I am thankful that you  "get the point you are trying to bring across."

You ask:

As I said above it is those who "do the things that I say" and are "called and chosen and faithful" and who "endure to the end." It is those who have and obey "the doctrine of Jesus Christ which I have covered above. Let's consider these qualifications in the light of the scriptures which relate to them:

1) Those who "do the things that I say."
Luk 6:46  And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Luk 6:47  Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
Luk 6:48  He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
Luk 6:49  But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
Doing 90% is not enough:
Jer 29:13  And ye shall seek me, and find  me, when ye shall search for me with all [100% of] your heart.

Luk 9:62  And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
2) Those who are "called and chosen and faithful." Judas was called and Judas was chosen. Judas was not faithful to the end.

Rev 17:14  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
3) Those who "are hated of all men and endure to the end." This is really the same as being faithful to the end.
Mat 10:22  And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
These "men" refer specifically to church brothers and are typified in Old Testament types by Joseph's ten brothers.
Gen 37:3  Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he was the son of his old age: and he made him a coat of many colours.
Gen 37:4  And when his brethren saw that their father loved him more than all his brethren, they hated him, and could not speak peaceably unto him.
It is never pagan strangers who kill God's elect. Read Christ's parables. It is always "they of thine own [spiritual] household." It is God's own "husbandmen," who persecute his prophets and kill His Son." His own "husbandmen" are the ministers of  'historical orthodox Christianity" who despise the words of Christ and would crucify Him today if He were here today preaching His 'love thine enemy' doctrine at this time of war. Christianity actually believes that it is their place to save this world which Christ has already told us would be deceived and under the influence of the dragon at the time of His return. They are totally unaware that this has been the case in "historical orthodox Christianity" ever since before Constantine. You cannot be in orthodoxy and "do the things which I say." When you obey Christ you will be "cast out of their synagogues."

One of the greatest hurdles God's elect face is coming to accept the fact that all of these churches must be wrong. It truly is an overwhelming concept. But it is the truth of every prophecy concerning Christ's return. When asked what the sign of his return would be, Christ told His disciples to remember two things. He said it would be 1) "As it was in the days of Noah" and 2) "Remember Lot's wife." If He had said 'remember Nineveh' then I too, would go along with the ministers of Christendom and teach that a great revival of Christianity as in the days of the apostles was just around the corner. But that is the exact opposite of what we are told. Here is what we are told instead:
2Ti 3:13  But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
Mat 24:9  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10  And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12  And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13  But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Many is the majority. Many is not the minority. But just in case we might not quite understand, here is how Christ concludes His point:
Luk 18:7  And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
Luk 18:8  I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Does that sound like Christianity has saved the world for Christ. Or does it not rather sound like Christianity has mistaken "many wonderful works" with "doing the things which I say?" Does this not sound like "strong delusion" sent to them by God Himself?
Mat 24:24  For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25  Behold, I have told you before.
I have been faithful in my service to Christ. It will not make me popular, but I would be nervous if it did.
Luk 6:26  Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
Billy Graham has been given every accolade this world can afford. He is acclaimed by all of his fellow false prophets. I do not judge any of them. I do however "try the spirits for many [the majority] of false prophets [2000 years ago and "worse and worse" ever since] have gone out into the world." The doctrines of the ministers of "historical orthodox Christianity" are false doctrines." I pray only that God will always give me the strength to remain faithful to His Word in the face of all of the opposition to the contrary.

Mike