What Is Truth? Isn't Accountable Just Another Word For Responsible?
Mike,
Isn't accountable just another word for responsible? According to the dictionary and a Google search they both have the same meaning. Would you please explain? Thanks,
A____
Hi A____,
Thank you for your question.
This question allows me to make the point that we cannot rely upon Noah Webster, Google, or any other secular source to define God's Words. God's Word is established "in the mouth of two or three [scriptural] witnesses," not in the mouth of two or three secular or so called Biblical scholarly witnesses. When we allow orthodox Christian men like James Strong to define words for us we come up with definitions like this for the Greek word 'aion:'
G165
αἰών
aiōn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.
"By extension perpetuity???" Do you have a scripture of two for that statement Mr. Strong?
Now all those who are so impressed with both secular and orthodox Christian 'credentials' coming from well known seminaries like the Dallas Theological Seminary, or Dr. D. James Kennedy's Seminary, or any of the dozens of other orthodox Christian seminaries, across this country and around the world, will be asking where someone like me, a mere remodeling contractor, gets the nerve to question such 'qualified' Christian men as Mr. Noah Webster and Dr. James D. Strong.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word , it is because there is no light in them.
Acts 4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
Phi 3:4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Phi 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, [of] the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Phi 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Phi 3:7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Phi 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung , that I may win Christ,
"Isn't accountable just another word for responsible? According to the dictionary and a Google search they both have the same meaning. Would you please explain?"
We are told in no uncertain terms that mankind has been shapen by God Himself and conceived by God Himself in iniquity and in sin:
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred [Hebrew - ruined] in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me . I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things .
Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
If you cannot "understand your own way" because it is "of the Lord," how can you possibly be held responsible for "your own way?" Every choice you make is according to this verse "of the Lord." "Man's goings are of the Lord." If that is the case how then can you or I be responsible for our "goings?" Is this actually speaking of our evil ways as well as our good and proper choices?Pro 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?
Isa 63:17 O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear?
Rom 9:16 So then it [responsibility for our actions] is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
You will ask me, 'How then can he possibly hold us accountable for when He "causes us to err from His ways?" That is a fair question which Paul poses and answers:Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Read the paper, After The Counsel Of His Own Will for a much more comprehensive understanding of this subject.
I hope that you can now see clearly that despite what the dictionary or Google say, God's word discriminates between the words accountability and responsibility.
2 Chron 20:6 And said, O LORD God of our fathers, art not thou God in heaven? and rulest not thou over all the kingdoms of the heathen? and in thine hand is there not power and might, so that none is able to withstand thee?
Matt 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
He has declared that in the end He will redeem all:
Mike1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1 Tim 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 Tim 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
MikeHi A___,Thanks for the quick reply to my question on accountability.
I just read an article on tithing and in it I came across this:
"And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your TITHES, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks: And there ye shall eat before the Lord your God, and ye shall rejoice in all that ye put your hand unto, YE and YOUR HOUSEHOLDS, wherein the Lord thy God hath blessed thee" (Deut. 12:6-7).Wouldn't the use of "freewill" in this verse indicate that we do have free will according to the Bible?Thanks,A____
I am not trying to be trite or in any way offend you, but I want you to realize that God speaks to us in terms we can understand. Do you think that because God asked Adam "where are you," that He wanted Adam to know that He, God, had no clue as to which tree Adam was hiding behind?
I truly hope that we can continue this discussion, but you haven't even commented on any of the dozens of scriptures I referred to you showing that we have and make caused choices.
You haven't commented on the fact that Joseph's brothers thought that their choice to sell Joseph into Egypt as a slave, was of their own 'free will,' while it was actually "of God." You haven't commented on "It's not of him that willeth.." Not one scripture but dozens, "the sum of thy word," drive home this Truth. And that is where Truth is to be found:Isa 63:17 O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.
Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
To make this point in another way, I want you to read this section of scripture and tell me whether the scriptures teach that God repents. Your answer to this will let us both know whether we need to continue this discussion.Psa 119:160 (ASV) The sum of thy word is truth; And every one of thy righteous ordinances endureth for ever.
Now I want you to tell me why verse 29 says:1Sa 15:29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
1Sa 15:30 Then he [King Saul] said, I have sinned: [yet] honour me now, I pray thee, before the elders of my people, and before Israel, and turn again with me, that I may worship the LORD thy God.
1Sa 15:31 So Samuel turned again after Saul; and Saul worshipped the LORD.
1Sa 15:32 Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past.
1Sa 15:33 And Samuel said, As thy sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.
1Sa 15:34 Then Samuel went to Ramah; and Saul went up to his house to Gibeah of Saul.
1Sa 15:35 And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.
"...he [the Lord] is not a man, that he should repent."
And yet verse 35 tells us
"...the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel."
The answer is that God speaks to us in terms we can understand without really being ignorant of Adam's whereabouts and without having to go to plan B because neither Adam nor King Saul had turned out just like plan A had anticipated.
I will quote it again and again ask you to read the paper After The Counsel Of His Own Will:
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
I pray that you can see that 'no scripture of prophecy is of its own interpretation because holy men of old spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost' and the Holy Spirit is not schizophrenic. I pray that you can see that "the sum of thy word is Truth."
Mike