Can Women Witness Without Teaching in the Church?
Posted December 25, 2008
Hi Mike,
I have written many times over the years and am always grateful for your faithful service to the Lord's word!
I have just finished "The Head of Christ is God" and am going to study it again:) It was so-o-o fulfilling!! I have always wondered and struggled with myself and others about the woman's role. I am a woman grown up and married with children.
It just never fit to me that a woman would be taking the role of teaching the Word over men and a congregation. We have left the church building (Babylon) five years now and have been studying with you.
My struggle continues as to how best answer those who would continue to try and "make me understand" why I should be part of the institutionalized church without seeming like I'm trying to teach!! Or just how to respond to false doctrines in general especially when a man has said it, and my husband doesn't happen to be with me.
As soon as it is known we do not partake of the church, or that I'm a caretaker at home, people want to force me to be part of a 'church'. By using scripture to answer is that not teaching? Not answering using scripture seems like I'm being cowardly towards the Lord! Anyway that seems to be fuzzy for me.
I will study the paper again and learn some more.
We still hope one day to be able to come to a conference! Until that day, God bless your efforts and wisdom!
C____
Hi C____,
Thank you for your encouraging words. I am very happy that you were able to read that paper and not take offense at the word. Christ is a stumbling block and a rock of offense for the whole world.
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Paul tells us what works to make for a happy marriage, and then he makes it clear that everything he has said is a reflection of Christ and the church. But now notice how he concludes this revelation that His words are actually spiritual in nature. Does he conclude by telling us that the spiritual negates any need for an outward reflection of the things of the spiritual, or does he not do the exact opposite? Here is the holy spirit's conclusion of the fact that marriage reflects Christ and the church:
Eph 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.So the outward should reflect the things of the spirit:
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
This goal is attained by being quiet, both at home and in the church. Never, under any circumstance talk over your husband. That is the doctrine of Christ. That doctrine in no way dishonors women, any more than my letting Christ be true and every man a liar, dishonors men.
Christ broke the sabbath by gathering grain on that day and failing to prepare his sabbath meals on the day before the sabbath as Moses commanded. He broke the law of Moses by failing to be at the feast at its beginning and instead going up to Jerusalem "in the midst of the feast." Christ ate with publicans and sinners, and thought nothing of telling a man to pick up his bed on the sabbath day. Christ could easily have settled this whole question about women teaching and preaching by simply choosing a woman to be one of His disciples, or at least allowing a woman to write one of the books of the New Testament. Instead He inspired Paul to say "let your women keep quiet in the church, it is not permitted for them to speak, as also saith the law. If you consider yourself to be spiritual then acknowledge that these words are the commandment of the Lord."
1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence [Greek, quiet] in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1Co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
Time and again in scripture we see where women were given great honor when men were not available or worse were unwilling to be men. The whole story of Deborah is an example of this sad truth. The story of Deborah is really the story of the unfaithfulness of Barak and the fact that Barak's unfaithfulness resulted in "a woman taking Barak's glory," because Barak would not trust God to deliver Israel through him without having Deborah by his side. It is a very sad day and an indictment of the whole nation, when a man will not go to war without a woman by his side.
Jdg 4:6 And she [Deborah] sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedeshnaphtali, and said unto him, Hath not the LORD God of Israel commanded, saying, Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun?That is how the story of Deborah begins. How does it end?
Jdg 4:7 And I will draw unto thee to the river Kishon Sisera, the captain of Jabin's army, with his chariots and his multitude; and I will deliver him into thine hand.
Jdg 4:8 And Barak said unto her, If thou wilt go with me, then I will go: but if thou wilt not go with me, then I will not go.
Jdg 4:9 And she said, I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall not be for thine honour; for the LORD shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh.
Jdg 5:24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.
Jdg 5:25 He asked water, [and] she gave [him] milk; she brought forth butter in a lordly dish.
Jdg 5:26 She put her hand to the nail, and her right hand to the workmen's hammer; and with the hammer she smote Sisera, she smote off his head, when she had pierced and stricken through his temples.
Jdg 5:27 At her feet he bowed, he fell, he lay down: at her feet he bowed, he fell: where he bowed, there he fell down dead.
Barak may be mentioned among the faithful in Hebrews 11, but Jael the wife of Heber will always be remembered as having done what should have been done by Barak. "The Lord sold Sisera into the hand of a woman, and Barak's journey was not for his honor," just as the Lord had said.
So it is today. If a man is not there, then the Lord will use a woman, and His work and His will will be done. But be like Deborah, and encourage the men in your life to be the leaders. If a man is present to do anything that needs to be done, be quiet and encourage the men to be the leaders. If they deny the Lord with their silence, then bear witness to the truth.
Just never let it be said that you took the words "Junia was notable among the apostles," and twist those words into 'Junia was a notable apostle' as so many women are doing today in their desire to make God's word fit into their doctrine instead of making their doctrine fit into God's Word.
Rom 16:7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
All the women of the New Testament bore witness to the Truth that is Christ. They never once failed to do so. Yet there is not one account of a woman either teaching or preaching of being ordained as a bishop or an elder in all of the New Testament. There is a world of difference between being a witness and being a bishop. Only those who do not like the New Testament doctrine concerning the role of women in the church have any trouble making that distinction.
I hope this helps to put you at ease about being a fruitful witness for Christ in every circumstance. Never fail to answer a question asked by either a man or a woman, but do not begin a teaching ministry by letter or in the pulpit. There are many men who have not been given that calling, and just because many women are capable of being teachers does not mean that the New Testament doctrine concerning a woman's role is now obsolete. Truth is not relevant to the times. Truth is always Truth, and it is "the same yesterday, today and forever."
I really do look forward to seeing you someday at one of our conferences. In the meantime, I would encourage you to get yourself a computer microphone or web cam (if your computer or laptop does not already have it) and download the free version of Skype at skype.com. Skype is free communication through your computer to anywhere in the world with someone else who has downloaded Skype. Many of our brothers and sisters in Christ have done this and are enjoying free fellowship with others all around the world. It is a great technological blessing of which we ought, as a healthy body of Christ, avail ourselves.
If ever you decide to do so, please feel free to skype me at mike.vinson2. That is my 'skype address', and I would love to hear from you and your husband at any time.
Mike